I now have a headache reading all the personal bias and chest beating. Ive driven both cars mostly debated and they both have their ups and downs. I’ve driven dialed A800’s and others that Didn’t feel so great. My personal car is a Mugen and I have out driven most no matter what they drove. I did see a local with an Xray go from bottom A driver to I couldnt catch him last time out with his A800 which was well setup. At the end of the day we run what we can get parts for or our friends all run it. This thread needs to get back to actually helping explain the differences between the cars mentioned on the track more so than engineers being called out.