The ORE B2B is very, very good. Darn near bullet proof. I don't have the B2B-W17, which is the current version. The car does everything you want it to when you want it to. Lee Owen is very responsive and is on Facebook, but doesn't check RC Tech. I will take a few shots of my B2B and post them for you. I would recommend it. I would buy the current version if we were running GT12 locally for sure. The nice thing about GT12 cars in general is the large sweet spot and the the B2B is pretty exceptional for that. Once you get it right almost anyone can drive it. Compared to a regular 12th scale, it is a lot less twitchy. The 13.5 BRCA rules works really well for the class, so we ran their rule set. If you want to test a little, I can send you mine or find an excuse to bring it down in person.