Thanks Tony. Sounds like you guys really tried a good amount of stuff. I'm going to stay with the 3 hole pistons and work off refining that setup at my track and other two places I go to. Sounds like the best starting setup is the Reedy Race setups if your on Medium to High bite tracks with the KC in position #4. Seems like a nice place for guys to start and dial in from their. Every car has a spot that is a good all around spot and I think the Reedy Race setup might be that setting.