Thanks, I'm probably going with a M05 instead and I did dig up some older for sale threads and PM'ed the seller...and yeah there are a plenty of other stuff I'd have to get for the car....but racing it's just a completely different world, I've been in the hobby (bashing) for like 2 years and I have quite many cars/trucks and RC parts/tools.....but to start racing it seems like I'm ill-equipped and need to buy all sorts of things....