The basic idea I was trying to convey was for what most guys are paying for used hybrids here on this site you can get new. Didn't mean for people to get butt hurt about it, just letting people know there is an alternative to the amb. I have seen some go for $70-95 on here....but again that's used. And honestly if they are good enough for full factory racers then they're probably good enough for 99% of us.