and to chime in on opinions of those cars. the D8 12 will get pushed to the back of the list. I drove one and liked it but its not on par with the tekno and kyosho. as far as those 2 it will be on you. the kyosho is fast and easy but its love it or hate it on set up and its like driving a potato chip. tekno if you have ran a lot of cars and raced a lot is a fun car to own. the design is a little different and maintenance on the car is easy which is cool. not to mention its a tank!