So, I got my MM car all put together last night. I knew it would be heavier, but holy crap, lol. 1600+ grams with no body and a shorty. Thank goodness I plan to run mod soon. I would not want to push that around with a 17.5. If the car drives poorly, I might do a few things to drop weight. Also, that was with the triad, no chassis tape and a smallish viper vtx10 esc. It makes a 22 look like a feather weight car. Where do you think all of that weight comes from? The alum chassis cant weight 100 grams more.