I used to race 8th scale nitro and just got back into rc a few weeks ago. I'm learning electric and 2wd now so my skill still leaves a lot to be desired lol. My rear motor was running 35 degree timing with 33/66 at about 120 degrees. Mid motor same setup got hot so turned timing down to 20 degrees. I'm thinking of picking up a hacker 17.5 motor to replace my trinity fantom 17.5 I hear they are monster stock motors and run cool