I'm still not completely satisfied with my setup so I'm ready to post it but I'll say that it's far from box/kit. I also tried the set up posted on the website and it was very loose in the rear for our current conditions (not a high enough grip level) and the box set up was a good start but just wouldn't carry enough corner speed and I was getting run over in the corners. I've changed so much and the car reacts good to every change and I really like that about the car, when you make a change and go back out you can really feel the difference and see in the lap times weather it was good or bad. I haven't played with shocks yet on the NB and that is what I am going to test and experiment more with this week. I'll post up what I can come up with. PUDDIN, you coming to the Jam race?