Oh my, im just going to stop here. I dont want to get into a debate on this thread on this topic. It has lost any credibility already and just confused anyone who is looking to cure a loose car. I give you what i did to cure any loose issues i had and an explination in the most simple terms i could. At the end of the day, i am trying to help you guys,not hurt you. My car was a little loose when i started running it, i used all of the same adjustments explained and they did exactly as they should do. Onroad or offroad, they are all cars and all the same principals apply. They all have the same effect, just in onroad, it is more noticable due to the higher traction . That being said, my car handles great and is a top 3 car week in and week out in a field of 30 cars. Im not in need of any help with set up, im offering it. If you dont want to know what i do to make my car work flawlessly every race day, then i respect that. Good day.