Well you won't find me in the SpecR or Xray forum telling people to get tc4's.... I don't think the mods would like it ! So I suggest you go back there and push your SpecR's and Xray !!!!! I am all within my rights here to side with the tc3 or tc4 here !!! Do not hijack this thread ! I don't hijack yours ! I am sure the newbie knows about your cars and will visit your thread if he so chooses, but don't make this thread about any other car than tc3/tc4 please......