Originally Posted by
Granpa
Okay, in order. I'm not offended, but did voice the opinion that the remark was in itself offensive. You'd have to have the sensitivity of an anvil not to realize that.
On power push. This is what I was referring to. Most R/C cars in my experience will widen the arc of a turn when you add lots of power. To me that's a push. The exception to this may be the RWD cars like the F-1, but have little experience with those.
As for the rest, let's just say that your points are well taken. It sounds as if you once raced Minis and now race TCs. Nothing wrong with that. I went the other way from TCs to Minis.
Ha. Nice way to put it. Anvil. This is actually quite cool.
I apologise again. I am sorry you thought I was having a dig at you or anyone else Mini racing or not.
I know it is offensive, but it was not my comment and I didn't know it was so widely used to be a stereotype/clichee.
And it doesn't have to be offensive. Boring is a personal experience. I don't get bored in situations where others do. Likewise the other way around.
And no, I have never raced minis. I do like them, and have a whole bunch just for that. I like tuning them and playing with them and perhaps I am trying to get them to handle like a TC which may or may not be a realistic enterprise.
But about push, that was exactly my point. You can not bend the laws of physics. I mean, I think it's normal. Grip (lateral friction - which is what keeps you car on its intended trajectory) is finite. Centrifugal force (which is what is pulling your car off trajectory) is dependent on speed so it will increase forever as long as your speed increases. It is only normal that at some point it will overcome grip and the car will push. Not trying to teach you to suck eggs, more like feeling around to make sure we have the same terminology (after all I speak australian and that calls for some allowance).
As I said, on power, our track is more likely to have your car oversteering than pushing. I have had a bad case of pushing on a wide open circuit here where the first sweeper is taken at full chat and I was running a TA05-R (I know, I just had too much fun) which was really heavy and even though the sweeper was banked it never managed to get rid of understeer (I take it that is pushing in american). But I think the real reason was the steering just did not have enough travel to cut it. No such problem with anyof my other cars (a bunch of Xrays, Kawada, Yokomo). Tell you the truth the Kawada is a brilliantly balanced car good on any track I took it to. Class was 17.5 boosted, so I reckon we had 70-80kph+ by the end of the long straight and still accelerating.
But do these cars push? Oh, I do this test. I run the car at full lock on a spot until I get flat out and look at the turning circle. Well, it is always enlarging until I get to flat out when it is at its largest. That is why I think this is to be expected. That way you can find where the acceleration can be for various turning radius (if you want to keep it steady and considering no other inputs are present - a bit theoretical, I know). Does this mean the cars push?