Originally Posted by aeRayls

The old old car was and is still good. The problem from the beginning with the 4.1 was the chassis material. Way too soft and The whole car is made of it. Made it numb and dull on the track. The +8 is better in certain situations because it's made of the older (stiffer) plastic.

A properly built/setup and DRIVEN old school 2003 B4 is just as competitive.

We all just want new stuff to buy and play with!!!