Here's something interesting... I weighed both cars this afternoon (stripped off electronics as I figured everyone will be using different equipments anyway) and was surprised to see that both are "almost" equal... my Evo III underwent some serious weight reduction during it's life and all I did with the Evo IV right now is to put ti-screws on... although I was telling the guys the Evo IV "felt" heavy because of those alum bulkheads... hmm... this was a surprise!