2005 Rule Book
01-30-2005, 04:31 PM
#31
The Reedy 19t would not be legal....at least according to the 2005 rule book I have seen....
A 19t motor must still have an extended shaft with a taper of some sorts, so it can be easily identified.
And it also needs to be crosswrapped wound, but the Reedy is Hemi wound....
The 2004 rules were updated no long after I questioned them on hobbytalk to allow the quad mags in the non-oval classes (though I was told they would not be in 2004)....
Later EddieO
A 19t motor must still have an extended shaft with a taper of some sorts, so it can be easily identified.
And it also needs to be crosswrapped wound, but the Reedy is Hemi wound....
The 2004 rules were updated no long after I questioned them on hobbytalk to allow the quad mags in the non-oval classes (though I was told they would not be in 2004)....
Later EddieO
01-31-2005, 08:47 AM
#32
Originally posted by McSmooth
Good news is, according to the 2005 19T 'Super Stock' rules, the Reedy Quad Mag would be legal.
Finally ends that whole mess.
Good news is, according to the 2005 19T 'Super Stock' rules, the Reedy Quad Mag would be legal.
Finally ends that whole mess.
01-31-2005, 09:08 AM
#33
Then it looks like you're going to have a real mess on your hands.
It's not like there's 800 different 19Turn motors out there. There's probably less than 2 dozen.
Somebody, somewhere , take the motors, and MAKE A LIST of what motors are made per the Rule Book. I've only mentioned it in here several times. You then make a note that these motors are NOT ROAR approved, but they do meet the rules.
If you leave it up to the racers, good luck. How many do you think are going to care, or even know, the difference between a hemi wrap and a cross wrap? You're going to have quite a few unhappy racers at the Carpet Nationals when they're told their motor isn't legal.
The last thing ROAR needs now is MORE is disgruntled racers at their events. Make it easy for everyone, and put a list together.
It's not like there's 800 different 19Turn motors out there. There's probably less than 2 dozen.
Somebody, somewhere , take the motors, and MAKE A LIST of what motors are made per the Rule Book. I've only mentioned it in here several times. You then make a note that these motors are NOT ROAR approved, but they do meet the rules.
If you leave it up to the racers, good luck. How many do you think are going to care, or even know, the difference between a hemi wrap and a cross wrap? You're going to have quite a few unhappy racers at the Carpet Nationals when they're told their motor isn't legal.
The last thing ROAR needs now is MORE is disgruntled racers at their events. Make it easy for everyone, and put a list together.
Last edited by McSmooth; 01-31-2005 at 09:16 AM.
01-31-2005, 02:04 PM
#34
there are no 19T motors that have been submitted to ROAR for approval for sanctioned event competition, as far as I can see.
Per event, the Excomm is allowing deviations, if requested by the race director...
this is one of those topics you must discuss with David Lee and/or Rick Wilson on a race by race basis until there is a motor submitted and added to the approval list.
Per event, the Excomm is allowing deviations, if requested by the race director...
this is one of those topics you must discuss with David Lee and/or Rick Wilson on a race by race basis until there is a motor submitted and added to the approval list.
02-01-2005, 06:45 AM
#35
Originally posted by McSmooth
If you leave it up to the racers, good luck. How many do you think are going to care, or even know, the difference between a hemi wrap and a cross wrap? You're going to have quite a few unhappy racers at the Carpet Nationals when they're told their motor isn't legal.
If you leave it up to the racers, good luck. How many do you think are going to care, or even know, the difference between a hemi wrap and a cross wrap? You're going to have quite a few unhappy racers at the Carpet Nationals when they're told their motor isn't legal.
The Red Endbell Reedy is the one that is legal as per the ROAR specs.
02-01-2005, 07:44 PM
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Probably a good time to put this to rest. The Reedy 19T Spec fixed red endbell violates at least two ROAR rules.
This is the one I am talking about:
19 Turn Spec motor class
#766 Actron laydown brushes
19 x 1 wind, 19 gauge wire, tagged arm
Quad-Mag FOURce-filed magnets--the latest C4 technology
1.4mm vented can
Capacitors included
9mm mid-size commutator
Dual ball bearings
Polarity color-coded brush heatsinks
Brush damping system
Machine wound
Fixed timing
This is the one I am talking about:
19 Turn Spec motor class
#766 Actron laydown brushes
19 x 1 wind, 19 gauge wire, tagged arm
Quad-Mag FOURce-filed magnets--the latest C4 technology
1.4mm vented can
Capacitors included
9mm mid-size commutator
Dual ball bearings
Polarity color-coded brush heatsinks
Brush damping system
Machine wound
Fixed timing
02-02-2005, 08:13 AM
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When I get home tonight I will tech it as if it were a level 3 on road event and post my findings.
02-02-2005, 08:54 AM
#39
Originally posted by raffaelli
Probably a good time to put this to rest. The Reedy 19T Spec fixed red endbell violates at least two ROAR rules.
This is the one I am talking about:
19 Turn Spec motor class
#766 Actron laydown brushes
19 x 1 wind, 19 gauge wire, tagged arm
Quad-Mag FOURce-filed magnets--the latest C4 technology
1.4mm vented can
Capacitors included
9mm mid-size commutator
Dual ball bearings
Polarity color-coded brush heatsinks
Brush damping system
Machine wound
Fixed timing
Probably a good time to put this to rest. The Reedy 19T Spec fixed red endbell violates at least two ROAR rules.
This is the one I am talking about:
19 Turn Spec motor class
#766 Actron laydown brushes
19 x 1 wind, 19 gauge wire, tagged arm
Quad-Mag FOURce-filed magnets--the latest C4 technology
1.4mm vented can
Capacitors included
9mm mid-size commutator
Dual ball bearings
Polarity color-coded brush heatsinks
Brush damping system
Machine wound
Fixed timing
Inspection holes are hardly inspection holes. You cannot view the tab on the arm without dis-assembling it.
It doesn't have the step on the end of the shaft that extends past the endbell .125"
02-02-2005, 09:01 AM
#40
This one conforms to the rules:
features a tagged armature, 19 turns of 19 gauge wire, dual ball bearings, removable endbell equipped with laydown or normal standard brushes and surface mount capacitors, fixed 24 degree timing, and all new G12 high power wet magnets.
I will have one of these in the next few day's and will check it over as well.
features a tagged armature, 19 turns of 19 gauge wire, dual ball bearings, removable endbell equipped with laydown or normal standard brushes and surface mount capacitors, fixed 24 degree timing, and all new G12 high power wet magnets.
I will have one of these in the next few day's and will check it over as well.
Last edited by Orange; 02-02-2005 at 09:26 AM.
02-02-2005, 09:12 AM
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I am pretty sure that the C2 meets 100% tech.
02-02-2005, 09:18 AM
#42
Yeah I was just about to say that as well. Even though on that website it say's that "ROAR rules allow for handwound arms" which is mis-interpreted.
Go look up the C2 on the site and you will see what I mean.
Only thing I have to say to that is .........LOL!
But I will take a look at one the next time I am at the track. But by judging the picture I saw, it seems to have at least the proper "step" and the "Inspection holes"
Go look up the C2 on the site and you will see what I mean.
Only thing I have to say to that is .........LOL!
But I will take a look at one the next time I am at the track. But by judging the picture I saw, it seems to have at least the proper "step" and the "Inspection holes"
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02-02-2005, 10:16 AM
#43
The Reedy is also Hemi wound, making it illegal....the inspection holes are probably not very good either.....and of course its lacking the extended shaft with a taper....
The Orion/Peak based motors, do have the extended shaft now, but not sure if they are hemi wound still or not....
Later EddieO
The Orion/Peak based motors, do have the extended shaft now, but not sure if they are hemi wound still or not....
Later EddieO
02-02-2005, 11:18 AM
#44
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quoted from a previous post:
#766 Actron laydown brushes
19 x 1 wind, 19 gauge wire, tagged arm
Quad-Mag FOURce-filed magnets--the latest C4 technology
1.4mm vented can
Capacitors included
9mm mid-size commutator
Dual ball bearings
Polarity color-coded brush heatsinks
Brush damping system
Machine wound
Fixed timing
As you can see, I highlighted the "machine wound" part. I am also looking at the armature of the one I have in my hand. It is either machine wound or that is the slopiest Hemi Wound motor I have ever seen in my life.
There is another Reedy 19t that has a black endbell that is hand wound and has adjustable timing. That motor falls under the "Oval" 19t rules. As those 19t motors use the same guidelines as "modified" motors.
#766 Actron laydown brushes
19 x 1 wind, 19 gauge wire, tagged arm
Quad-Mag FOURce-filed magnets--the latest C4 technology
1.4mm vented can
Capacitors included
9mm mid-size commutator
Dual ball bearings
Polarity color-coded brush heatsinks
Brush damping system
Machine wound
Fixed timing
As you can see, I highlighted the "machine wound" part. I am also looking at the armature of the one I have in my hand. It is either machine wound or that is the slopiest Hemi Wound motor I have ever seen in my life.
There is another Reedy 19t that has a black endbell that is hand wound and has adjustable timing. That motor falls under the "Oval" 19t rules. As those 19t motors use the same guidelines as "modified" motors.
02-02-2005, 07:26 PM
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tech my motor
So I teched my Reedy 19T.
It failed.
8.4.2.3 Measures 35.93mm, passed.
8.4.2.4 Meausres 52.7mm, passed.
8.4.2.5 Measures .123", passed.
8.4.2.6 Measures .9835", failed.
8.4.2.7 Measures 21.74mm, passed.
8.4.2.8 Measures 23.08mm, passed.
8.4.2.9 3 counted, passed.
8.4.2.10 Ceramic, passed.
8.4.3 Not submitted, failed.
8.6.2 RDY19 tag, $55, passed.
8.6.3 24, fixed, bearing, split, centered, passed.
8.6.4 locked by tab, passed.
8.6.5 cooling holed adequate for inspection, stamped yokomo, passed.
8.6.6 standard sized lay down brush, passed.
8.6.7 .303", cant see tag, failed.
8.6.8 glued to can, passed.
8.6.9 did not unwind it counld not verify number of winds or length, .88mm wire, hemi wound, failed.
8.6.10 compression weld, passed.
8.6.11 aligned, passed.
8.6.12 full stack, passed.
8.6.13 factory milling, passed.
8.6.14 RDY19 tag, .626" long tag, passed.
8.6.15 .07" beyond endbell, 2.627" shaft, .207” extension, no step, no taper, failed
8.6.16 No modified, passed.
8.6.17 Drill balanced, passed.
8.6.18 Not hybrid, passed.
Moreover than the failing tech of this motor, is the bigger picture of this class. I believe this was a classs introduced by a motor manufacture. It caught on and is the fastest growing onroad class. So then why have the manufactures not submitted any 19T for ROAR approval?
It failed.
8.4.2.3 Measures 35.93mm, passed.
8.4.2.4 Meausres 52.7mm, passed.
8.4.2.5 Measures .123", passed.
8.4.2.6 Measures .9835", failed.
8.4.2.7 Measures 21.74mm, passed.
8.4.2.8 Measures 23.08mm, passed.
8.4.2.9 3 counted, passed.
8.4.2.10 Ceramic, passed.
8.4.3 Not submitted, failed.
8.6.2 RDY19 tag, $55, passed.
8.6.3 24, fixed, bearing, split, centered, passed.
8.6.4 locked by tab, passed.
8.6.5 cooling holed adequate for inspection, stamped yokomo, passed.
8.6.6 standard sized lay down brush, passed.
8.6.7 .303", cant see tag, failed.
8.6.8 glued to can, passed.
8.6.9 did not unwind it counld not verify number of winds or length, .88mm wire, hemi wound, failed.
8.6.10 compression weld, passed.
8.6.11 aligned, passed.
8.6.12 full stack, passed.
8.6.13 factory milling, passed.
8.6.14 RDY19 tag, .626" long tag, passed.
8.6.15 .07" beyond endbell, 2.627" shaft, .207” extension, no step, no taper, failed
8.6.16 No modified, passed.
8.6.17 Drill balanced, passed.
8.6.18 Not hybrid, passed.
Moreover than the failing tech of this motor, is the bigger picture of this class. I believe this was a classs introduced by a motor manufacture. It caught on and is the fastest growing onroad class. So then why have the manufactures not submitted any 19T for ROAR approval?
Last edited by raffaelli; 02-03-2005 at 11:38 AM.
