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rgrg2 02-28-2017 07:18 PM

servo horn problem
 
I have a Savox 1258tg and a Reedy rt1508 servo. I use the Factory Team 25t aluminum servo horn for both srvos.
After coming off the track, I noticed the slop on the steering rack that was coming from my servo horn being loose and wobbling on the servo teeth. The servo screw is completely tightened before i go onto the track, but it keeps happening. Do I need to use the servo horn ring or washer, or what is the problem?

1/8 IC Fan 02-28-2017 07:46 PM

If youare using the clamping style, some times if its over tightened against the servo output spline, the aluminum steering arms can deform a little. This may be the case, but thats not 100% certain. you can always check, by removing the clamping screw, if it relaxes to the point that the gap is almost parallel on both sides, it probably has not been overtightened, if it does not relax much, then it has.

If its a regular bolt on one, it could be that the tolerances are off, or maybe a loose fit. I have that issue when i ran XP servos with Mugen arms, they seemed always loose. I went to Kyosho composites instead. Now I run Protek Clamping arms, and always keep 2 spares.

smrakocy 03-01-2017 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by rgrg2 (Post 14854051)
The servo screw is completely tightened before i go onto the track, but it keeps happening.

Is the servo screw still tight after you run it or it loose, leading to the loose horn? If the servo screw is coming loose, some thread-lock ought to help.

rgrg2 03-01-2017 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by 1/8 IC Fan (Post 14854093)
If youare using the clamping style, some times if its over tightened against the servo output spline, the aluminum steering arms can deform a little. This may be the case, but thats not 100% certain. you can always check, by removing the clamping screw, if it relaxes to the point that the gap is almost parallel on both sides, it probably has not been overtightened, if it does not relax much, then it has.

If its a regular bolt on one, it could be that the tolerances are off, or maybe a loose fit. I have that issue when i ran XP servos with Mugen arms, they seemed always loose. I went to Kyosho composites instead. Now I run Protek Clamping arms, and always keep 2 spares.


Originally Posted by smrakocy (Post 14854619)
Is the servo screw still tight after you run it or it loose, leading to the loose horn? If the servo screw is coming loose, some thread-lock ought to help.

I use the regular horn, not a clamping. I'll unhook the servo and horn and check the fit again.
The servo screw is tight and then comes loose on the track. I will try some thread lock.
What size should a servo screw be? Maybe I need a slight bit longer screw, or will the thread lock fix it from coming loose?

Thanks!

smrakocy 03-01-2017 10:52 AM

The thread-lock ought to do the trick. I would think a 6-8mm M3 screw would be about the correct size.

Derrick87 03-01-2017 11:18 AM

Always use thread lock on any metal to metal parts

Troubles Dad 03-01-2017 11:43 AM

I am not that crazy about using lock-tite on a servo screw, just had a issue with a stripped screw and had to Dremel to get it loose, not very happy, so I went to the local hardware store and in their washer bins, I found what they called star washers, they have locking parts on both inside and outside with a 3mm inside hole, for me they work perfectly and yet to have them come loose, I also use them on my clutch bells when I have enough room for them.

smrakocy 03-01-2017 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Troubles Dad (Post 14854906)
I am not that crazy about using lock-tite on a servo screw, just had a issue with a stripped screw and had to Dremel to get it loose

You really shouldn't have that issue when using regular blue removable thread-lock on this size of screw, especially if using a socket head M3.

Troubles Dad 03-01-2017 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by smrakocy (Post 14854924)
You really shouldn't have that issue when using regular blue removable thread-lock on this size of screw, especially if using a socket head M3.

This is true, but on a button head screw which most servo's use, you have very little to grab ahold of, and when you put lock-tite on it it just makes it that much harder to remove out of the servo.

Zinergy 03-01-2017 12:08 PM

I put blue Loctite on all my servo screws. Just don't use red on anything for RCs.

Andy Koback 03-01-2017 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Troubles Dad (Post 14854906)
I am not that crazy about using lock-tite on a servo screw, just had a issue with a stripped screw and had to Dremel to get it loose, not very happy, so I went to the local hardware store and in their washer bins, I found what they called star washers, they have locking parts on both inside and outside with a 3mm inside hole, for me they work perfectly and yet to have them come loose, I also use them on my clutch bells when I have enough room for them.

When using the Blue lock-tite, no need to torque the screw down real hard. Harder to get out later. Just so it's snug and let the lock-tite do its job.

Andy Koback 03-01-2017 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by smrakocy (Post 14854846)
The thread-lock ought to do the trick. I would think a 6-8mm M3 screw would be about the correct size.

Not all servos have the same screw size. Some 2.5mm and some 3mm. Length is also important.

smrakocy 03-01-2017 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Troubles Dad (Post 14854935)
This is true, but on a button head screw which most servo's use, you have very little to grab ahold of, and when you put lock-tite on it it just makes it that much harder to remove out of the servo.

Most servos use button head screws? You can just replace a button head screw with a socket head screw.

Troubles Dad 03-01-2017 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by Andy Koback (Post 14854953)
When using the Blue lock-tite, no need to torque the screw down real hard. Harder to get out later. Just so it's snug and let the lock-tite do its job.

Ah now you tell me, I make sure everything is snugged down, even so much to strip out motors over time, as that does make sense tho to not crank it down tight

smrakocy 03-01-2017 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Andy Koback (Post 14854956)
Not all servos have the same screw size. Some 2.5mm and some 3mm. Length is also important.

I have personally never come across a servo spline that was threaded for M2.5. Either way, I know for a fact that Savox 1258TGs (which the OP listed) are threaded for M3 and I'm pretty sure that the Reedy RT1508 (the other servo the OP listed) is also threaded for M3.

I agree that screw length is also important. That's why I recommended 6-8mm as a starting point.

Troubles Dad 03-01-2017 12:57 PM

Hitec is 2.5

Andy Koback 03-01-2017 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Troubles Dad (Post 14855005)
Hitec is 2.5

I found that out too! :nod:

Troubles Dad 03-01-2017 06:11 PM

When I first bought a hitec servo, I dropped the little screw and struggled to find one, had to put one of them self tapers in it, then started running airtronics and never thought about it again, then went to high voltage and found that same problem, but found them screws in bulk, just surprised they never changed to the 3mm

rgrg2 03-01-2017 09:50 PM

Servo horn
 
Thanks to everyone! I'll try all the ideas, and any other ideas that get posted. Will part #89009 (servo ring and washer) help at all, or just trying the M3 6-8mm and locktite be better?

smrakocy 03-02-2017 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by rgrg2 (Post 14855610)
Thanks to everyone! I'll try all the ideas, and any other ideas that get posted. Will part #89009 (servo ring and washer) help at all, or just trying the M3 6-8mm and locktite be better?

That washer will just let you use a flat head screw and the support ring is for the stock plastic servo horn, so I wouldn't bother with it. I'd just try a little blue thread-lock :)

smrakocy 03-02-2017 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Troubles Dad (Post 14855005)
Hitec is 2.5

Fair enough. The only Hitec servo I've ever used was an old 645MG as a replacement for the stock RTR servo in the RC10T4 that was my first hobby-grade RC. Of course back then I though adding a Kimbrough servo saver on top of the servo saver built in the the steering bellcranks was a good idea, so I might have been a little green back then and not really paying attention to what screw size fit the servo :D


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