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rotachoc 03-15-2014 05:18 PM

Serious Upgrade setup, help needed
 
Hi all,
Im ready to spend some serious money and need help spending it
I'm buying the
LOSI TLR04002 8IGHT-E 3.0 Race Kit

Next on the list of Serious Upgrades is a
Castle Creations Mamba Monster 2 with NC1515-2200kV motor combo
I'm planing to run a SPC 3s 6500mah 11.1v battery and/or two SPC 3s 6500mha 11.1v in series to give me 6s 6500mah 22.2v.???

I'll be upgrading my Radio System (controller/receiver/servo).
I've been looking at buying the

Futaba 4PLS 4-Channel 2.4GHz S-FHSS Telemetry Radio/ R304SB 4-Channel Telemetry Receiver.

and while I'm buying that i'll also get the
Temperature Sensor(SBS-01T)

I need to get a servo for this setup i've been thinking of
Futaba BLS351 Brushless High-Torque Servo

I'd like to know what servo would work well with this set-up???
Is there any other servo I should be looking at???
I'd like to know must I run a external BEC with 6s???

King DORK 03-15-2014 05:43 PM

Are you NOT planning on racing this? If so, why 6s?????????????

Yosh70 03-15-2014 05:57 PM

What are you planning to do with this? Not exactly the right kind of RC for bashing.

If racing, a 3S or 6S lipo doesnt make any sense. First one will be too weak and the latter will be considerably over the top IMO. A 4S is what you want....even 5S will be overkill but a lot of fun for bashing if you can control it.

And a $150 servo with those specs? You can find ones with more torque and speed for less money. A Hitec 7955TG is one you should be looking at. Do some research.

ThePanda 03-15-2014 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Yosh70 (Post 13099758)
What are you planning to do with this? Not exactly the right kind of RC for bashing.

If racing, a 3S or 6S lipo doesnt make any sense. First one will be too weak and the latter will be considerably over the top IMO. A 4S is what you want....even 5S will be overkill but a lot of fun for bashing if you can control it.

And a $150 servo with those specs? You can find ones with more torque and speed for less money. A Hitec 7955TG is one you should be looking at. Do some research.

⅛ buggies are generally very durable, and make great bashers.

not true. some prefer to run higher voltage lower amperage setups for higher efficiency. you just have to run a really low kv motor, thats all.

futaba is known for making some of the highest quality and most precise servos available. it is also a brushless servo, which does add to the cost.

Yosh70 03-15-2014 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by ThePanda (Post 13099878)
⅛ buggies are generally very durable, and make great bashers.

I guess if the OP wants to spend $600 on a roller buggy thats specifically designed for racing, who am I to argue?


not true. some prefer to run higher voltage lower amperage setups for higher efficiency. you just have to run a really low kv motor, thats all.
Sigh, I am commenting on his possible purchase of a Castle 2200KV motor....that is what my post refers to. If you want give him more options, by all means.


futaba is known for making some of the highest quality and most precise servos available. it is also a brushless servo, which does add to the cost.
Oh, well then he should get it....there is nothing better on the market for less money I guess.

Rather than trying to pick my post apart, you can try offering the OP some advice instead of just posting to bring up your post count.

dan_vector 03-15-2014 10:52 PM

I'd avoid the castle creations stuff in favour of the Tekin RX8 gen 2 and t8 1900kv motor. Id stick to 4S as 6S is overkill in a buggy plus it wouldn't be legal for racing. The rest of your setup is ok for racing but a bit overboard for bashing!

rotachoc 03-16-2014 12:38 AM

I'm not into club racing, I'm into racing my neighbour in our street and sometimes do a speed run when the bug bites.

I will get a
SPC LiPo Power, Battery Pack; 6500mAh, 65C, 4S, 14.8V Hard-Case to power this thing and maybe 6s to do speed runs if I can with the right gearing if possible???

Also I think I will get the
Hitec HS-7955TG Digital HT Titanium Gear Coreless Servo
It's got a lot more Torque:
249.96 oz-in (18 kg-cm) at 4.8V
333.29 oz-in (24.0kg-cm) at 6.0V
and hopefully I won't need to run an external BEC??? (Thanks for the tip YOSH70)

The reason I want to go with the
Castle Creations 1/8 Mamba Monster 2/Neu-Castle 2200kV
Is that I have some 1/10 mamba's in some of my other RC vehicles and am happy with them and have a soft spot for them,
What would be the correct gearing for general driving up an down the street (about 100-150 metres long)
Also speed runs in that same distance???

ThePanda 03-16-2014 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Yosh70 (Post 13099977)
I guess if the OP wants to spend $600 on a roller buggy thats specifically designed for racing, who am I to argue?

Sigh, I am commenting on his possible purchase of a Castle 2200KV motor....that is what my post refers to. If you want give him more options, by all means.

and I was referring to your post, in which you only talked about battery specs.

Oh, well then he should get it....there is nothing better on the market for less money I guess.

sometimes its not about finding the best deal, but getting the product that will work for you.

Rather than trying to pick my post apart, you can try offering the OP some advice instead of just posting to bring up your post count.

i did offer him advice. as seen here. and I'm not trying to get my count up, or pick you apart, i was just commenting on what i think will work


Originally Posted by ThePanda (Post 13099878)
⅛ buggies are generally very durable, and make great bashers. - advice

not true. some prefer to run higher voltage lower amperage setups for higher efficiency. you just have to run a really low kv motor, thats all. - advice, actually pretty good advice, as you will put less stress on your system.

futaba is known for making some of the highest quality and most precise servos available. it is also a brushless servo, which does add to the cost.- again, pretty good advice, futaba brushless servos are known for being some of the best.


Yosh70 03-16-2014 03:37 PM


and I was referring to your post, in which you only talked about battery specs.
Oh please, his post reads he's purchasing a Castle MM2 and a 2200Kv motor and "planning" on getting a 3S or 6S lipo....would those work with his setup? I know a high voltage lipo will work with a low kv motor, more efficient and better run time. Was there any talk of a lower kv motor?


sometimes its not about finding the best deal, but getting the product that will work for you.
Really? :rolleyes: Wow, if that isn't back-peddlin', I'm not sure what is. So a $150 Futaba servo is the one that would work best for the OP?

ThePanda 03-16-2014 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Yosh70 (Post 13101997)
Oh please, his post reads he's purchasing a Castle MM2 and a 2200Kv motor and "planning" on getting a 3S or 6S lipo....would those work with his setup? I know a high voltage lipo will work with a low kv motor, more efficient and better run time. Was there any talk of a lower kv motor?

yes, right here.


Originally Posted by ThePanda (Post 13099878)
not true. some prefer to run higher voltage lower amperage setups for higher efficiency. you just have to run a really low kv motor, thats all.

"if racing" that castle system doesn't make any sense either, but you were still referring to that as you said.

Really? :rolleyes: Wow, if that isn't back-peddlin', I'm not sure what is. So a $150 Futaba servo is the one that would work best for the OP?

it could. neither of us know exactly what the op will be doing with it. we can think about it, but we can't really know. that futaba servo is very very nice, and would work well. it isn't the fastest, or the strongest, but it is certainly a very good contender. the op can choose another servo if he feels he needs more from it. the futaba will certainly work though.

ThePanda 03-16-2014 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Yosh70 (Post 13099758)
If racing, a 3S or 6S lipo doesnt make any sense. First one will be too weak and the latter will be considerably over the top IMO. A 4S is what you want....even 5S will be overkill but a lot of fun for bashing if you can control it.
.


Originally Posted by ThePanda (Post 13099878)
not true. some prefer to run higher voltage lower amperage setups for higher efficiency. you just have to run a really low kv motor, thats all.

this seems to be the root of our argument. i just want to clear the air. since you didn't quote or make reference to anything other that battery specs, and all you then said was racing, how was i supposed to know that you were talking about the motor system as well? you could have been going off in a whole another direction with it. if he was racing at all running the castle system would not make much sense anyways, so there is another piece that reinforced that you might not be including it. these led me to think you were only talking about what you said here about the battery. i then responded as i did, and it seemed to make you upset.

im not nitpicking, nor am I trying to tear anyone apart. sorry if i have angered you.

TLR Chipmunk 03-16-2014 08:04 PM

For what you are doing with the buggy yes the Castle Creations is a great choice but as far as battery id run a 6s (or two 3s) or a 4s lipo. but everything else is fine. not putting down the losi its a great car but if you want to spend less money the Tekno EB48 is a very durable, good handling buggy.

rotachoc 03-16-2014 08:22 PM

Hi all thank for all of your input,
This is what I've ordered today and should be here in Australia in a week or two is there anything else I should get while i'm spending money like it's going out of fashion
I'm sure i've left something out

Traxxas Series Battery Connection Wire Harness 1/16 VXL $6.79

Traxxas Male Traxxas Connector (2) $3.49

Futaba 4PLS 4-Channel 2.4GHz S-FHSS Telemetry Radio $249.99

Castle Creations 1/8 Mamba Monster 2/Neu-Castle 2200kV $296.97

Duratrax Hex Replacement Tip 3/32" $2.99

Duratrax Hex Replacement Tip 5/64" $2.99

Duratrax Hex Replacement Tip .050" $2.99

Hitec HS-7955TG Digital HT Titanium Gear Coreless Servo $119.99

Castle Creations Cooling Fan & Shroud for 1/8th Motors $12.49

Castle Creations CC Pinion MOD1 19T $9.49

Castle Creations CC Pinion MOD1 15T $9.49

Castle Creations CC Pinion MOD1 17T $9.49

Castle Creations CC Pinion MOD1 13T $9.49

Duratrax Hex Replacement Tip 1/16" $2.99

Futaba Temperature Sensor 18MZ/14SG $74.99

DE Racing Losi 8ight Buggy Mud Guards (DER-110-L) = $6.39

Losi 5-40x3/4? Flat Head Screws (10) (LOSA6272) = $3.69


Losi 5-40x1/2? Flat Head Screws (10) (LOSA6271) = $2.79

DE Racing BumpSkid (Losi 8ight/8T/2.0) (DER-208-L) = $7.29

Losi 5-40x20mm Left Hand Thread Button Head Screw (10) $4.59

DE Racing XD "Extreme Duty" Rear Skid Plates (3) (DER-210-L) = $7.29

HPI Front Shock Protecter Set (2) (HPI103681) = $9.18

Losi Racing Aluminum Servo Horn (24T-Hitec) (TLR334011) = $11.75

Losi 43T Plastic Spur Gear (8E 2.0) (LOSA3560) = $9.25

The Losi 8ight-e 3.0 kit $649.00

A total so far $1525.85

I still need to buy a battery (SPC LiPo; 6500mAh, 65C, 4S, 14.8V)???

What other batteries can I look at of good quality and similar specs???

ThePanda 03-16-2014 08:31 PM

did you buy the driver handles for the hex drivers? smc is good batteries.

Yosh70 03-16-2014 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by rotachoc (Post 13103030)
Hi all thank for all of your input,

What other batteries can I look at of good quality and similar specs???

You didnt mention it but have you got a charger already? And as for lipo's, Hobbyking.com sells Turnigy Nanotech's which are excellent batteries for the money. Since SMC or SPC don't sell 6S, you may want to have a look at that website.

As far as your list goes, considering what you're doing with this buggy, I would pick up at least 1 or 2 extra sets of tires, (Ofna belted street tires is something you should look at) and maybe another wing and a body.


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