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fq06 08-25-2013 08:19 AM

By the way... all of this is still with the problematic 3C radio and 300 RX of orange RX?

I didn't read back to check but that may still be your issue no matter what you do at the track.
Is it ok in front of your house , but not at the track?
Does a buddy of yours have a better radio that you could pull the RX from and try in your Losi just to see if that's the issue?

Or do you have an old FM radio you could try... anything but spectrum?

spookie 08-25-2013 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by kingofcool999 (Post 12430636)
Having problems w/my TLR SCTE 2.0

I was having what I thought were brown-outs. Anywhere from 2-4 minutes into a 5 or 6 minute race, I would start having issues. The truck would just basically stop. No go, no steering. Usually after heavy braking into a corner and then attempting to accelerate out of a corner. After a second or two it would start again w/o intervention.

I was using a cheaper Savox servo (SC0251MG). Added a glitch buster cap, no help. Went to a better servo (Savox SC1258TG), no difference.

Just for kicks, I removed the fan that was on my motor (Novak 4.5t 550). No difference.

Thought maybe my ESC (Novak Havok Pro) was having issues, went to my spare, no difference.

Thought maybe my receiver (Spektrum SR301) was having issues, went to my spare, no difference.

I'm back to thinking it's the ESC. I check the temps on it after having issues, but it's always in the middle of the 'acceptable operating range'. I'm kinda at a loss now. I don't have a spare motor to try, nor do I have another battery to try (using a new SPC 6500 mAh, 65c).

Anyone got any ideas?

As the battery voltage drops, brownouts on acceleration become quite evident, voltage sag. It's my understanding that Spectrum receivers pull a little more than some others. As the esc heats up, it may be having problems maintaining constant current dealing with all of the draws. Install a Bec for reliable current and be done with it.

kingofcool999 08-25-2013 09:22 AM

The pic you posted (fq06) is exactly how I had it.

I also tried leaving the red wire to the receiver in place, per Novak's literature. For that arrangement, you turn the ESC on, the right back off, to disable the ESC's BEC.

I've had issues with these ESC's. It wouldn't surprise me if it was ultimately the problem.

I wonder what would happen if I put a resistor on the red wire from the receiver, and then ground it to the battery. Give that BEC something to do...

mjmurphy 08-25-2013 09:27 AM

your problem is this.... Savox. Try a different servo and see if you have the same results.

kingofcool999 08-25-2013 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by fq06 (Post 12481473)
By the way... all of this is still with the problematic 3C radio and 300 RX of orange RX?

I didn't read back to check but that may still be your issue no matter what you do at the track.
Is it ok in front of your house , but not at the track?
Does a buddy of yours have a better radio that you could pull the RX from and try in your Losi just to see if that's the issue?

Or do you have an old FM radio you could try... anything but spectrum?

Does the same thing everywhere. Remove the BEC and the throttle issue goes away. Don't know about the brown outs...

fq06 08-25-2013 09:28 AM

Not familiar with the Novak process, but the red wire from the ESC should not be used. The two Bec's will fight each other and the esc's bec will lose.
So you have to turn the Novak on the off then on again to disable the internal bec? I wouldn't trust that, you probably cooked the internal bec trying to run it that way.

When I used a CC bec with my savox TG servo in a SCT I used a super short servo extension wire and removed the red lead from that.

fq06 08-25-2013 09:29 AM

So if you don't run the CC bec its fine? Don't run the CC bec.

Maybe I missed it where its having issues CC bec or no CC bec.

I would start back at the beginning and try a buddies radio with no CC bec and see if it runs ok.

kingofcool999 08-25-2013 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by mjmurphy (Post 12481673)
your problem is this.... Savox. Try a different servo and see if you have the same results.

I think I'm dealing with two issues. One is the brown-outs. Cure for the brown-outs is the external CC BEC. CC BEC somehow causes the throttle issue.

kingofcool999 08-25-2013 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by fq06 (Post 12481680)
So if you don't run the CC bec its fine? Don't run the CC bec.

Maybe I missed it where its having issues CC bec or no CC bec.

I would start back at the beginning and try a buddies radio with no CC bec and see if it runs ok.

Yes, once the CC BEC is out of the equation, the throttle issue goes away. Don't know about the brown-outs. I bet they'll be back.

fq06 08-25-2013 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by kingofcool999 (Post 12481714)
Yes, once the CC BEC is out of the equation, the throttle issue goes away. Don't know about the brown-outs. I bet they'll be back.

CC with the esc's red wire eliminated right? I would not trust the Novak turn off the bec deal.
If you haven't tried it without the red wire eliminated, try that. The CC bec feeding back into the ESC may be giving you your throttle problem. Don't know, never tried the CC bec with the ESC also supplying power as well... that's a no no.

Try a different radio with no CC bec, your problems may be gone.

kingofcool999 08-25-2013 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by fq06 (Post 12481737)
CC with the esc's red wire eliminated right? I would not trust the Novak turn off the bec deal.
If you haven't tried it without the red wire eliminated, try that. The CC bec feeding back into the ESC may be giving you your throttle problem. Don't know, never tried the CC bec with the ESC also supplying power as well... that's a no no.

Try a different radio with no CC bec, your problems may be gone.

Both methods, with and w/o red wire, same throttle problem.

fq06 08-25-2013 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by kingofcool999 (Post 12481778)
Both methods, with and w/o red wire, same throttle problem.

May be worth calling Novak on Monday to ask them if a cooked internal bec could cause the throttle issues. Worth a phone call.
I wouldn't be surprised if the internal bec is cooked from using the on/off/on method to turn off the internal bec and it didn't turn it off.
I just don't know if a cooked internal bec would cause your issues or if it would just not operate the servo. Maybe besides powering the servo, it is not even giving enough for the rx let alone the servo.

kingofcool999 08-25-2013 10:19 AM

Yeah, maybe Novak can tell me what is going on.

fq06 08-25-2013 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by mjmurphy (Post 12481673)
your problem is this.... Savox. Try a different servo and see if you have the same results.

+1
This is an easy thing to try. If you have any other servo besides a savox servo... any other, even a junk rtr servo to try out.

SamuraiJack 10-17-2013 02:58 AM

Any news on original issue?

Related to this fun topic, anyone hear of esc bec issues that result in the esc behaving badly while rx and servo seem fine? Rx8 in particular?


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