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basherbuddy 01-06-2016 12:24 PM

PCB
 
I am also intrested in ordering a PCB

Speedfactory 01-09-2016 12:18 AM

Do any of you guys build these to sell ?

cutting42 01-09-2016 03:16 PM

I have made a start on the project and started with the amp board. When testing it seems to be generating a lower voltage than Howard saw. Voltages on the board seem OK, should this work OK?


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps0a2tskqh.jpg

howardcano 01-09-2016 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14341172)
I have made a start on the project and started with the amp board. When testing it seems to be generating a lower voltage than Howard saw. Voltages on the board seem OK, should this work OK?


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps0a2tskqh.jpg

On what node are you seeing this signal?

cutting42 01-10-2016 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14341276)
On what node are you seeing this signal?

As per the testing rig you posted early in the thread on the coax core

howardcano 01-10-2016 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14341647)
As per the testing rig you posted early in the thread on the coax core

It looks fine. It's a bit hard to see the reticule on your scope, but it appears that you have about 200mVPP, which is what is shown in post#42.

EDIT: Oops, make that 20mVPP! That's low. Do you have your probes and scope set properly? I often accidentally move the probe's 1X/10X switch to the wrong position when handling it.

Also make sure the jumpers for the tuning caps are set correctly to match the loop size, as given in the specification post.

cutting42 01-10-2016 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14341662)
It looks fine. It's a bit hard to see the reticule on your scope, but it appears that you have about 200mVPP, which is what is shown in post#42.

EDIT: Oops, make that 20mVPP! That's low. Do you have your probes and scope set properly? I often accidentally move the probe's 1X/10X switch to the wrong position when handling it.

Also make sure the jumpers for the tuning caps are set correctly to match the loop size, as given in the specification post.

Thanks for the reply, I will double check scope but probe was 10x for sure. I will try jumpers as my loop is 1x10 and I did not use a jumper but it might be on the edge of needing J3.

cutting42 01-10-2016 12:28 PM

Hi Howard

I think I am fine, set the scope up properly instead of just switching it on and hoping this time, recalibrated the probe and put J3 in place have a lovely clear and strong signal now ;-)

I keep remembering stuff, parts of my brain that have not been used in a while, very cool that there is stuff hidden away ;-)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psgjg5sxli.jpg

cutting42 01-25-2016 03:28 AM

Just some progress pics. Build is complete, just need a USB to RS232 conversion cable as none of my laptops have serial ports.

Power is via USB, I may convert so that one USB plug can do the power and RS232 but I am not sure how the converter is wired so that bit will wait. Amp is tested and working, PT's are tested and working, the decoder LED comes on, just need to see the bootup message and signals being recognised.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps8vijc604.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psowkujtya.jpg

Barsk 01-26-2016 12:12 AM

Nice work there Gareth! I still haven't started my project (based on the same PCB's as cutting42's above). I believe you could have gotten away with some smaller boxes... :)

/Kristian

cutting42 01-26-2016 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Barsk (Post 14363931)
Nice work there Gareth! I still haven't started my project (based on the same PCB's as cutting42's above). I believe you could have gotten away with some smaller boxes... :)

/Kristian

Hey Kristian, thanks for the comments, yes the boxes are a little large aren't they ;-) They are ones I had got off eBay and I didn't want them too snug to allow for easy construction. They are waterproof with a nice sealing system and I have been impressed with them.

I got my USB to RS2323 cable this morning but am playing a gig tonight so not much play time but I hope to be able to rig up the decoder to see the port for Howards copyright message.

howardcano 01-26-2016 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14364104)
I got my USB to RS2323 cable this morning but am playing a gig tonight so not much play time but I hope to be able to rig up the decoder to see the port for Howards copyright message.

Even without the connection to the serial port, you can still get an idea that things are working just from the LED. It will blink off momentarily after a recognized transponder has passed over the loop.

Did you say GIG?!!! Please provide details of your favorite instrument, music, musician, composer, etc.!!!

cutting42 01-26-2016 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14364183)
Even without the connection to the serial port, you can still get an idea that things are working just from the LED. It will blink off momentarily after a recognized transponder has passed over the loop.

Did you say GIG?!!! Please provide details of your favorite instrument, music, musician, composer, etc.!!!

I am a bass player in a funk fusion band that does a little rock and pop music for functions. I play my favourite and also the best bass guitar in the world a Wal 5 string:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...g201109003.jpg

I also play a MM Stingray fretless as well:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...pslwsixd4j.jpg

Likes, OMG, so many bands and musicians - Love fusion jazz Crusaders, Yellowjackets, Miles, Jaco, Marcus Miller. But many others as well including Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Mark King/Level42 , Stevie Wonder, Chic/Nile Rogers/Bernard Edwards, Flea/RHCP, Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, James Jameson (the sound of Motown), Pino and that fretless tone, Squarepusher, Leyland Sklar, Geddy Lee/Rush, Bootsy, Victor Wooten (the best ever).

As well as Jazz/Fusion I love classical music, great pop music and anything done well.

howardcano 01-26-2016 09:13 AM

Those are some gorgeous instruments, and wonderful musicians and composers. I think I'd have a great time if I heard you guys play!

Here are a few of my musical creations, and some created by others using my designs, if you are interested:

http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/ho...?sort=3&page=1
http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/ho...?sort=4&page=1
http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/ho...?sort=4&page=1

cutting42 01-26-2016 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14364390)
Those are some gorgeous instruments, and wonderful musicians and composers. I think I'd have a great time if I heard you guys play!

Here are a few of my musical creations, and some created by others using my designs, if you are interested:

http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/ho...?sort=3&page=1
http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/ho...?sort=4&page=1
http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/ho...?sort=4&page=1

I would love to have you come along to a gig, do you ever travel to the UK?


Hey, you are famous! Very nice stuff. Not a keyboard player but I have a friend who would be all over your stuff. I loved the drums as my brother played a Simmons SDSV analogue electronic drum kit many years ago before he transferred to another instrument.

cutting42 01-26-2016 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14364183)
Even without the connection to the serial port, you can still get an idea that things are working just from the LED. It will blink off momentarily after a recognized transponder has passed over the loop.

Tried after getting in after playing tonight and can't get the RS232 adapter to work correctly. However the decoder does blink off after a PT crosses the loop so looks promising. Just need to figure out the port settings. Could not get ZRound to recognise it either.

howardcano 01-27-2016 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14364616)
I would love to have you come along to a gig, do you ever travel to the UK?

I have never been there. How could it possibly compare with Kansas? ;)

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/...pstmsnygsa.jpg


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14365035)
Tried after getting in after playing tonight and can't get the RS232 adapter to work correctly. However the decoder does blink off after a PT crosses the loop so looks promising. Just need to figure out the port settings. Could not get ZRound to recognise it either.

I don't think the ZRound site has the version that accepts the Cano decoder. I will send you an email.

I just added the ZRound version "Suite 1.12 Build 16" to the decoder spec post #251.

cutting42 01-27-2016 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14365578)
I have never been there. How could it possibly compare with Kansas? ;)

Well we have a lot more stuff in a lot less space ;-)

Kansas is one of the few States I have never visited, need to find a customer there and I can come visiting! Closest I have been is Denver and Des Moines.

cutting42 01-27-2016 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14365578)
I don't think the ZRound site has the version that accepts the Cano decoder. I will send you an email.

I just added the ZRound version "Suite 1.12 Build 16" to the decoder spec post #251.

Great, many thanks

cutting42 01-27-2016 02:31 PM

Tried two different PT's into PuTTY my regular AMBrc first then a Howard number. all looks great:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...pscojdhybg.jpg

I then hooked up to the correct version of Flipside and created a driver and ran a simple race, the decoder is working perfectly. Just need to check with the correct version of Zround and should be ready to test at the track on Sunday.

howardcano 01-27-2016 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14366311)
Tried two different PT's into PuTTY my regular AMBrc first then a Howard number. all looks great:

I then hooked up to the correct version of Flipside and created a driver and ran a simple race, the decoder is working perfectly. Just need to check with the correct version of Zround and should be ready to test at the track on Sunday.

Excellent work!

cutting42 01-27-2016 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14366454)
Excellent work!

Thanks Howard and thanks is also due to you and others who's work on this thread helped me get here. My little RC club can now run a proper timing system rather than manual counting which is a great advance. I was batch building PT's tonight so we should have enough to get started. I may need some more club number PIC chips from you later on. we need to figure out how many will bring their own and how many hand outs we need.

You sir, are awesome! :D

cutting42 01-27-2016 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14366311)
Just need to check with the correct version of Zround and should be ready to test at the track on Sunday.

I have now got ZRound to work on the latest version (v1.14 build 5). All is good.

cutting42 01-31-2016 05:44 AM

Well, the systems first trip in the field (fairly damp field as well) was a resounding success. With one minor exception all the PT's run today which included MRT, Mylaps Harry, AMBrc and Cano club as well as Cano cloned numbers were detected with no issues.

One Cano clone pt had a bit of a fit and missed around 4 laps but it was in my sons car and I saw it and could add his laps in manually whereupon it started counting again. My car ran a Cano clone with no issues all day. All the club pt's did not miss a beat which is very reassuring.

We ran the Zround software which is really good and a full featured product able to run a full championship. Not sure we need that but nice to have for future. We are thinking of running an invitational race in the summer with BBQ and trophies now we can run it a bit more as people expect. The club is really excited about having proper timing and it has gone down a storm with the members. Rough costs all in came to around £240 for everything including 10 PT's boxes, cable connectors as well as Howards pic chips.

Huge thanks again Howard and I will email you regarding some extra club numbers as most drivers want to buy their own club pt's which I did not expect but helps the club and speeds up race day not having to reallocate hand outs each meeting.

PS I might limit the clone pt's to running on a regular RC3 system as it seems to have no issues there and just use the dedicated club pt's on the Cano Decoder

howardcano 01-31-2016 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14370578)
Well, the systems first trip in the field (fairly damp field as well) was a resounding success. With one minor exception all the PT's run today which included MRT, Mylaps Harry, AMBrc and Cano club as well as Cano cloned numbers were detected with no issues.

One Cano clone decoder had a bit of a fit and missed around 4 laps but it was in my sons car and I saw it and could add his laps in manually whereupon it started counting again. My car ran a Cano clone with no issues all day. All the club decoders did not miss a beat which is very reassuring.

We ran the Zround software which is really good and a full featured product able to run a full championship. Not sure we need that but nice to have for future. We are thinking of running an invitational race in the summer with BBQ and trophies now we can run it a bit more as people expect. The club is really excited about having proper timing and it has gone down a storm with the members. Rough costs all in came to around £240 for everything including 10 PT's boxes, cable connectors as well as Howards pic chips.

Huge thanks again Howard and I will email you regarding some extra club numbers as most drivers want to buy their own club decoder which I did not expect but helps the club and speeds up race day not having to reallocate hand outs each meeting.

PS I might limit the clone decoders to running on a regular RC3 system as it seems to have no issues there and just use the dedicated club decoders on the Cano Decoder

I'm glad everything is working well for you. I think you might have typed "decoder" when you meant "transponder" several places in your post!

The gents in your club need to buy you a pint or two for undertaking such a huge task!

cutting42 01-31-2016 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14370731)
I'm glad everything is working well for you. I think you might have typed "decoder" when you meant "transponder" several places in your post!

The gents in your club need to buy you a pint or two for undertaking such a huge task!

Thanks I have edited my post correcting the words. Pints are on order ;-)

Barsk 03-14-2016 07:47 AM

Hi Howard,

Starting up my project here to complete a Cano decoder. I could not find the 221 and 2.87K resistors on Mouser. Or more specific, I would need to order 200 or 1000 pieces.. :) How close to spec do these need to be? Can you recommend any specific replacements on Mouser?

howardcano 03-14-2016 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Barsk (Post 14447292)
Hi Howard,

Starting up my project here to complete a Cano decoder. I could not find the 221 and 2.87K resistors on Mouser. Or more specific, I would need to order 200 or 1000 pieces.. :) How close to spec do these need to be? Can you recommend any specific replacements on Mouser?

The following are 1/4W parts. They might be a tight fit on the PCB, but will work fine:

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...Obu5A9nGcng%3d

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...p0F9l0TXtbQ%3d

cutting42 03-15-2016 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by Barsk (Post 14447292)
Hi Howard,

Starting up my project here to complete a Cano decoder. I could not find the 221 and 2.87K resistors on Mouser. Or more specific, I would need to order 200 or 1000 pieces.. :) How close to spec do these need to be? Can you recommend any specific replacements on Mouser?

I the used 1/4 versions on mine, needed to fit vertically but work fine.

cutting42 03-17-2016 06:04 PM

While the topic is close to the top again, my club is still using the Cano decoder successfully every other Sunday. We had a slight issue when we tried the loop near the start line which is on the straight. Some cars were missing the occasional lap and we surmised it might have been the speed crossing the loop on a regular lap. We the moved it to a much slower section and all the issues went away. We have also had great success with the loop hidden underneath the Astroturf even on wet and snowy days it does not miss a beat.

Barsk 03-18-2016 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14449181)
I the used 1/4 versions on mine, needed to fit vertically but work fine.

Thanks Howard and Gareth. I will put the order on Mouser shortly. They have free shipping to Sweden if the order is above 50 Euros, so I put in a reel of Kester #44 with eutectic solder to reach the bar. Getting eutectic solder in Sweden has been a futile mission so far. I don't understand why, It should be the perfect hobbyist solder...


Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 14453439)
While the topic is close to the top again, my club is still using the Cano decoder successfully every other Sunday. ... We have also had great success with the loop hidden underneath the Astroturf even on wet and snowy days it does not miss a beat.

Sounds good. Our plan is also to use it on a clay/carpet outdoors buggy track and to hear that it works under the carpet is good news. That is how we use the other (AMB/mylaps) loop on our indoor carpet track. The idea of building a loop off the ground is not so appealing since buggies tend to come flying sometimes...

gilson.beckman 03-23-2016 07:07 AM

Hi All,

Congratulations for all that worked on this project. It is really amazing.

I'd like to know if someone here has the PCB to trade. I'd like to build and Iam searching for the PCB. It is a personal project and I don't have the funds from the club for this.

Thanks,
Gilson Beckman

Barsk 05-04-2016 05:21 AM

Problems!
I was just about to finally order the electronics from mouser when I realize that the MC74AC4040N DIP chip is discontinued. It seems to be so on all the webshops I could think of, even Ebay. Digikey, Farnell, RS-Online etc. There is only the SOIC variant available.
So, my plan is to buy an SOIC chip of this type and a 16 pin SOIC->DIP converter like this one.

Just a check if this is the best approach and the parts are approriate? I already have the PCBs so I have to stick with that design.

howardcano 05-04-2016 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by Barsk (Post 14517642)
Problems!
I was just about to finally order the electronics from mouser when I realize that the MC74AC4040N DIP chip is discontinued. It seems to be so on all the webshops I could think of, even Ebay. Digikey, Farnell, RS-Online etc. There is only the SOIC variant available.
So, my plan is to buy an SOIC chip of this type and a 16 pin SOIC->DIP converter like this one.

Just a check if this is the best approach and the parts are approriate? I already have the PCBs so I have to stick with that design.

Try the Texas Instruments SN74LV4040AN. Digikey has stock.

Barsk 05-04-2016 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by howardcano (Post 14517674)
Try the Texas Instruments SN74LV4040AN. Digikey has stock.

Thanks! Found it more locally in europe too (conrad.se).

andrius 05-05-2016 08:01 AM

Hello!


Maybe someone knows an application for Andriod which support AMB P98 protocol? I will use Smartphone for lap counting.

Thanks for answers.

Andrius.

Barsk 05-07-2016 02:45 AM

Howard, another quick check before I (finally) order components. The ceramic capacitors in the amp, the C1,C6 and C7 seems to be of a non-critical type. They are out of stock though so I looked for replacements and came up with this:
http://www.mouser.se/Search/ProductD...5C1H820J0P1H3B.

Should be Ok?
I also have a set of cheap ceramic capcitors in my electronics box wich seems to be of similar type of the original sort. I guess they would work to or is the tolerance (5%) important here?

Regards Barsk

howardcano 05-07-2016 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by Barsk (Post 14521626)
Howard, another quick check before I (finally) order components. The ceramic capacitors in the amp, the C1,C6 and C7 seems to be of a non-critical type. They are out of stock though so I looked for replacements and came up with this:
http://www.mouser.se/Search/ProductD...5C1H820J0P1H3B.

Should be Ok?
I also have a set of cheap ceramic capcitors in my electronics box wich seems to be of similar type of the original sort. I guess they would work to or is the tolerance (5%) important here?

Regards Barsk

You are correct, those capacitors are fairly non-critical since they are used in a low-Q circuit. The alternates you found will be fine, and the ones you have on hand are probably good, too. 10% tolerance won't make a discernible difference.

Barsk 05-12-2016 01:23 AM

Our track is 4 meters wide, that is a tad longer than 14 feet. Will I need to change any components to cope with this for the loop, i.e the tuning caps? The spec has 12 feet as max...

howardcano 05-12-2016 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by Barsk (Post 14527744)
Our track is 4 meters wide, that is a tad longer than 14 feet. Will I need to change any components to cope with this for the loop, i.e the tuning caps? The spec has 12 feet as max...

You might try reducing the value of C1. The larger loop sizes also give less signal, so make sure the transponders are mounted well away from any conductive components on the cars.


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