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Old 07-22-2012, 09:41 AM
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im looking around at ESC/Motor combos and there is simply an overwhelming amount of options. the guys at my local track run anything from EZ-Run to MMP to Viper to Velineon, but its kinda difficult to catch each one of them and discuss the pros and cons of the different systems, so i thought public forum would be the best way to get the insight i need.

in the past i would just go with a name i trusted, but in those days there were only three real choices. Novak, Tekin, and later LRP were the only real "competetion level" ESCs available. there were no cheap but worthy options.

so in my quest to build a winning 2wd SC on a tight budget, i've been looking at the following sensored setups:

Hobbyking X-Car 100A/6.5T combo - $94

Brushless Hobbies LT4 (120A) - $67.95 + Tacon 8.5T Sensored motor - $45.24 = $113

Hobbywing Xerun 120A/10.5T combo - $133

can anybody give me any input on these, or other similar products? im trying to keep it low-buck but am willing to pay for quality if its going to make that big of a difference. what does, for example, a Tekin RS do that one of the above mentioned ESCs doesn't? maybe i should just buy a used Castle setup for $120 on here?

it should be noted the the included motors ive spec'd above would be used initially but if it failed i wouldn't have a problem spending a little bit of money on a top-tier motor.

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Well I'd rule out hobbyking right off the start... Great batteries and other things but haven't heard the best when it came to there esc... The brushless hobbies is a good combo. And the hobbywing is also good but the combo you want 120a/10.5t is $203 not $133.. Still a good deal. Me personally would go with either brushless hobbies or Dualsky. Dualsky is up and coming with great reviews and just a little higher priced than the BH, but they are much smaller footprint wise. For motors that tacon has always had good reviews. Although its not been talked about much I'd look at hobbykings Turnigy Trackstar motors, they seem to be a direct coPy of the very well running Reedy Sonics...I would nOt reccomend castle due too many bec failures. Much better out for the money.
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Originally Posted by cmross13 View Post
im looking around at ESC/Motor combos and there is simply an overwhelming amount of options. the guys at my local track run anything from EZ-Run to MMP to Viper to Velineon, but its kinda difficult to catch each one of them and discuss the pros and cons of the different systems, so i thought public forum would be the best way to get the insight i need.

in the past i would just go with a name i trusted, but in those days there were only three real choices. Novak, Tekin, and later LRP were the only real "competetion level" ESCs available. there were no cheap but worthy options.

so in my quest to build a winning 2wd SC on a tight budget, i've been looking at the following sensored setups:

Hobbyking X-Car 100A/6.5T combo - $94

Brushless Hobbies LT4 (120A) - $67.95 + Tacon 8.5T Sensored motor - $45.24 = $113

Hobbywing Xerun 120A/10.5T combo - $133

can anybody give me any input on these, or other similar products? im trying to keep it low-buck but am willing to pay for quality if its going to make that big of a difference. what does, for example, a Tekin RS do that one of the above mentioned ESCs doesn't? maybe i should just buy a used Castle setup for $120 on here?

it should be noted the the included motors ive spec'd above would be used initially but if it failed i wouldn't have a problem spending a little bit of money on a top-tier motor.

comments, suggestions, insight, etc are all strongly suggested
I fully recommend the Brushless Hobbies 120a unit. I purchased one of the last 120a units before the switch to the LT4 and it performs as good as any Novak or Castle unit, and in some instances is superior.

Starting with what you get, a 120a speed control that is shipped in from china through Hobby King or Ebay costs at least $70. The Brushless Hobbies unit ships from kansas WITH a USB cable and programming software. The best part of that to me is that you get free shipping from Kansas.

Customer service is one on one with the owner of the company who will help you through any problem over the phone. Stan is also one of the friendliest folks I have dealt with in the industry. He is also a hobbiest who uses the product and deals directly with the manufacturers in China.

The programming is simple but powerful, you can adjust to from blinky or timing or boost or whatever you need and can be upgraded.

Mine has ran flawlessly with a 6.5 Novak 540 motor in a 2wd SC10 and is stupid fast with a 5.5 Tekin 550 motor in a 4wd SC10 FT.
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so far I've gathered that the BH ESC is good, the Tacon motor is good, and to look into Turnigy Trackstar motors. at $35/ea i guess it wouldn't break the bank if i got a few good runs out of it.

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So far I love my castle mmp esc. My friend has gone through a hobbywing or two, but at the price he was able to replace it and end up at the same or lower cost than a more expensive esc. But after that, if you go through another, you might as well have gone with a better esc and if something were to happen, it would have good support. I have no need for a better bec right now, but they arent very expensive when I get a new servo.

But cheap esc's are good if you get the right one. I will personally be sticking to name brands such as castle and tekin for support.
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I have a wide variety of esc's currently in use and for a cheap build the hobbyking esc is great. I ran the 35a in my 2wd stock buggy for a while before switching to a tekin rs pro. I run a 35a in my VTA car, a 45a x-car in my crawler, a mmp in my hyper tt, rx8 in my scte and 8t... the list goes on.

Bang for the buck its hard to knock the HK stuff in my experience. Later on you might want to get an tekin or orion but when you are just starting out HK works great!
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The Brushless Hobbies ESC's are great. Hobbywing already did a bang-up job of engineering the 120A units, and Brushless Hobbies ESC's are the same basic design with top-shelf electronic components. You can't go wrong with them.
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I run a Duratrax in my Legend car and the the other drivers use Novak and other "brand" names. My Legend car is just as fast as the other drivers, it just me that needs works. In Legends class we all run the same motor, pinion, and spur gears, as well as tires. Not up on the brushless stuff quite yet, but I thought I'd offer my opinion.
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I run a Duratrax in my Legend car and the the other drivers use Novak and other "brand" names. My Legend car is just as fast as the other drivers, it just me that needs works. In Legends class we all run the same motor, pinion, and spur gears, as well as tires. Not up on the brushless stuff quite yet, but I thought I'd offer my opinion.
when it comes to spec racing like that pretty much any ESC would suffice. unfortunately, where i live, all the classes are "Open"
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Originally Posted by cmross13 View Post
im looking around at ESC/Motor combos and there is simply an overwhelming amount of options. the guys at my local track run anything from EZ-Run to MMP to Viper to Velineon, but its kinda difficult to catch each one of them and discuss the pros and cons of the different systems, so i thought public forum would be the best way to get the insight i need.

in the past i would just go with a name i trusted, but in those days there were only three real choices. Novak, Tekin, and later LRP were the only real "competetion level" ESCs available. there were no cheap but worthy options.

so in my quest to build a winning 2wd SC on a tight budget, i've been looking at the following sensored setups:

Hobbyking X-Car 100A/6.5T combo - $94

Brushless Hobbies LT4 (120A) - $67.95 + Tacon 8.5T Sensored motor - $45.24 = $113

Hobbywing Xerun 120A/10.5T combo - $133

can anybody give me any input on these, or other similar products? im trying to keep it low-buck but am willing to pay for quality if its going to make that big of a difference. what does, for example, a Tekin RS do that one of the above mentioned ESCs doesn't? maybe i should just buy a used Castle setup for $120 on here?

it should be noted the the included motors ive spec'd above would be used initially but if it failed i wouldn't have a problem spending a little bit of money on a top-tier motor.

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I cant comment on the HK ESCs except that I have seen numerous complaints here on the forums so I will stick to using their batteries only. But I have run Castle, Tekin, LRP, Novak, Hobbywing and others. For all of the extra cost all you are getting is the excellent customer support and nothing else. In fact, Hobbywing has been more reliable than any other brand I have used besides Tekin. I never had a problem with anything Tekin except the cost.

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when it comes to spec racing like that pretty much any ESC would suffice. unfortunately, where i live, all the classes are "Open"
I dont know where you race but everywhere I have raced it is just the opposite. In the "open" classes everyone has more power than they need, so the person who can make the least mistakes and get that power to the ground usually wins. In the spec classes however, the whole idea is to make everyone equal. So any little advantage can make a huge difference.
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I cant comment on the HK ESCs except that I have seen numerous complaints here on the forums so I will stick to using their batteries only. But I have run Castle, Tekin, LRP, Novak, Hobbywing and others. For all of the extra cost all you are getting is the excellent customer support and nothing else. In fact, Hobbywing has been more reliable than any other brand I have used besides Tekin. I never had a problem with anything Tekin except the cost.



I dont know where you race but everywhere I have raced it is just the opposite. In the "open" classes everyone has more power than they need, so the person who can make the least mistakes and get that power to the ground usually wins. In the spec classes however, the whole idea is to make everyone equal. So any little advantage can make a huge difference.
thanks for the ESC/quality/customer support info, however i get kinda lost by the second paragraph.

everywhere you race what is the opposite of what? im pretty sure 90% of all racing, especially something thats high-contact like R/C, whoever puts down the most consistent clean laps wins.

i agree that any small advantage can make a huge difference in spec racing, but isn't that kinda what makes it what it is? that's why there's "spec" motors, tires, batteries, weight requirements, limited chassis mods, etc. the only real "advantages" there could be in spec racing would be zapping or wet break in, and thats only with brushed motors. thats why a lot of spec classes require you to start and end the season with the same motor or take a penalty
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The dualsky esc is a little more expensive than some of the other options but it is a race esc with pc programming. I know the dualsky motors are $70 but you could always go for a cheaper option there. http://www.ckhobby.com/shop/?control...product_id=223
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So far I love my castle mmp esc. My friend has gone through a hobbywing or two, but at the price he was able to replace it and end up at the same or lower cost than a more expensive esc. But after that, if you go through another, you might as well have gone with a better esc and if something were to happen, it would have good support. I have no need for a better bec right now, but they arent very expensive when I get a new servo.

But cheap esc's are good if you get the right one. I will personally be sticking to name brands such as castle and tekin for support.
I used to run a castle mmp in my scte. There was constant glitching and the esc eventually quit on me. The bec voltage on the mmp is terrible for anything but 2wd vehicles. I will admit the programming software is fantastic. I now run hobbywing esc's no problem. The hobbywing sct-pro 120 amp esc is awesome.
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thanks for the ESC/quality/customer support info, however i get kinda lost by the second paragraph.

everywhere you race what is the opposite of what? im pretty sure 90% of all racing, especially something thats high-contact like R/C, whoever puts down the most consistent clean laps wins.

i agree that any small advantage can make a huge difference in spec racing, but isn't that kinda what makes it what it is? that's why there's "spec" motors, tires, batteries, weight requirements, limited chassis mods, etc. the only real "advantages" there could be in spec racing would be zapping or wet break in, and thats only with brushed motors. thats why a lot of spec classes require you to start and end the season with the same motor or take a penalty
I guess it really depends on the particular rules of the class in question. I think the idea of most spec classes is to limit cost and equal the playing field so that chassis setup and driver skill are the main factors. Speaking about Legends cars and others where everything is strictly limited, I think you have the right idea. But many spec classes leave lots of room for different ESCs, batteries, tires, chassis and more. Take for instance our 2wd buggy classes. In mod everyone runs between 5.5T and 7.5T BL motors. The guys running Tekin or HW ESCs and 65C lipos dont really get an advantage over the guys with old GTB ESCs and Nimh packs because none of us can really put that much power down in the first place. But in the stock spec class all of the top drivers are using full throttle for a good portion of the track. Nimh is out of the question in the stock spec class because it doesnt stand a chance, in fact, I dont know anyone running less than a 40C lipo in that class. The same goes with the ESCs, drivers with better equipment consistently dominate. Blinky mode has done alot to help keep ESC costs down, but the most tune-able ESCs still prove to be better from what I see.
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http://www.aliexpress.com/store/grou...210962979.html

These combos have been pretty popular from hobbywing and $140 for a 120a sensored esc and a 4 pole sensored motor is a dang good deal
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