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stas92 12-07-2011 06:48 PM

Limiting kV
 
Hello.
Im wondering, is there anyway to limit kV on a motor. Well not necessarily on the motor. Maybe on the ESC. I've gotten my self a 3800kV motor and thinking maybe thats a bit much. I also gotten the Castle MMP. Is it possible to do with Castle link?

skyrider 12-07-2011 07:14 PM

I think the simplest way would be to limit the throttle EPA on your TX.

Eric Bryant 12-07-2011 07:18 PM

Just knock down the pinion size, or go with fewer cells. Also adjust the ESC to provide less timing advance.

Don't use EPA to limit motor performance; the ESC and motor are most efficient running at maximum throttle (at anything less than full throttle, the current ripple cause by the PWMing will cause losses - damn I^2R gets ya every time!).

skyrider 12-07-2011 07:19 PM

I have no idea what that means but sounds like he knows what he is talking about so go with that haha.

stas92 12-07-2011 07:52 PM

Hmm I was thinking of stepping down in gears, I though that would lower the torque significantly.

stas92 12-07-2011 07:54 PM

On the ESC you can adjust the throttle curve. Would that help my situation? or should I just save my self a headache and buy a second motor?

tc5 man 12-07-2011 08:03 PM

Eric: But if you limit your throttle epa on your radio to 90 to 99% from my exprience on my 1/8 e truggy its still pretty efficent and fast . But going less than that it will defietly effect the efficently and power ive tired it before.

100% epa on a dry track at least heck no lol.

Im going to get a castle link field tuner to limit the timing or punch so i can run 100% epa.

skyrider 12-07-2011 08:18 PM

What do you guys mean when you guys talk about the efficiency being effected with lower EPA?

tc5 man 12-07-2011 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by skyrider (Post 10010142)
What do you guys mean when you guys talk about the efficiency being effected with lower EPA?


Basicly if you lower the throttle epa to much the motor and the esc will have to work harder although with plently of holes in your body for cooling it whouldnt really make it hot . With lower turn kv motors i can see the issue but with a 2200kv motor i run its pretty efficent.

crusey_aus 12-07-2011 08:50 PM

Just use "torque limit" setting in the MMP (using Castlelink)

Effectively lowers the kv

Cheers

skyrider 12-07-2011 08:53 PM

You mean the punch control right? Doesn't that only hold down huge bursts in AMP so it prevents fast acceleration but he would still be able to reach top speed?

Timing and gearing is probably his best option (and controlling his trigger finger too)

crusey_aus 12-07-2011 09:13 PM

No I mean the "torque limit" that has been available on Castle ESC's for a while

Punch control does not change the topend at all, simply changes how throttle is applied

Timing will not help him with a 4 pole motor, all it does is add heat

Agree gearing may be an option if he wants to lower his speed

Cheers

tc5 man 12-07-2011 09:27 PM

Isnt that the samething as turning down the expo on your radio or no ?

crusey_aus 12-07-2011 11:16 PM

Nothing like playing with expo or throttle endpoints

Expo simply changes the the throttle response relative to trigger position

Throttle endpoints (travel) changes the ESC's duty cycle

ESC's are more efficient when WOT (wide open throttle) equals 100% duty cycle


The "Torque Limit" setting limits the kv of the motor therefore limits torque

Cheers

tc5 man 12-08-2011 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by crusey_aus (Post 10010654)
Nothing like playing with expo or throttle endpoints

Expo simply changes the the throttle response relative to trigger position

Throttle endpoints (travel) changes the ESC's duty cycle

ESC's are more efficient when WOT (wide open throttle) equals 100% duty cycle


The "Torque Limit" setting limits the kv of the motor therefore limits torque

Cheers





Ok thanks yea there was times when i lowered the expo on my radio to calm down the trigger response especially on a dry/dusty track but now i will mess with the torque limiter.

Them 2200kv motors are torquey man i think its mostly because its sensorless and the kv of the motor also.


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