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Old 07-06-2011, 05:25 AM   #1
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Default Teach me about 1:10 Velineon systems.

I was under the impression the current system has not changed since day 1. But I see hints that make me think I'm wrong. How has the system evolved and how can one identify each version? Are they all of equal quality or should some be avoided? Are they all waterproof? All 3500kv? Etc.
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:33 AM   #2
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Slight changes to the way the leads were attached to the ESC

Motor has stayed the same

ESC specs have stayed the same

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Also, the earlier versions of the ESC were not labeled as being waterproof (had one). Don't know if they actually were waterproof or not.
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What I've seen, they seem to be water resistant at best.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:47 AM   #5
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I would say that they are waterproof. You can find videos of trucks with the VXL-3S system being completely submerged, sometimes over 5 feet underwater, and they work fine. I have submerged my MERV (with the 1/16 VXL-3M ESC) lots of times and it works fine.
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I've also heard if Traxxas opens it and finds water inside, it's almost impossible to have them warranty it.

If I'm not mistaken, some older motors came with silver endcaps, unlike today's black caps. Is that only a cosmetic change?

Also, someone said the new systems (not sure if only esc or motor) have had many problems so it's better to get an older system which have been more reliable. Anyone else experience this?
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:29 AM   #7
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Newer ones have issues with early LVC activation

What are you planning on using it in ?

Wouldnt use them in anything other than a 2wd buggy / light 2wd SC truck

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I'm planning on using it in my 2WD Slash, but the more I'm researching it, the more I'm leaning towards the CC SCT system.
I like the Velineon because it's waterproof (drive in 1" puddles and wet mud - see my avatar, that's with XL5 before I got the overtray).
But I was told all non-sensored brushless motors are technically waterproof. That's what I was worried about because the motor on the Slash is hanging out back and very exposed. So the only thing to worry about is the ESC, which should be OK because I use an overtray right?
And with a $110 price new, I'm sure I can find the CC SCT system in the same price range as a used Velineon system. So no real reason to go Traxxas in my situation.

Any flaw in my logic?
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Hunt around for a waterproof Sidewinder (and the motor that goes with it)

Can be found in the new E-Firestorm Flux





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Old 07-06-2011, 09:13 AM   #10
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Damn, just when I thought I had finally made up my mind, along comes a guy from the other side of the world with an excellent alternative I've never heard of. LOL

The research continues...
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Both the ESC's and Motors have changed since their release. The original ESC had female bullet plugs soldered right to the circuitboard and was not totally waterproof. Many of the second run esc's and after had problems with the plugs popping off the board but my first release one has never had a problem yet. After that, they put a small piece of wire between the board and the female connector and added the waterproof features as well.

The original motors were a 3-piece can with a silver end plate on each end secured by 2mm screws. The newer, waterproof motors have a two-piece can with an end plate only on the capped end (opposite of where it mounts) and I'm not sure if that version is rebuildable like the originals were.

Quite honestly, the first release esc's and motors seem to be the most powerful, reliable and well-built in my opinion. They're hard to come by now though and it takes a trained eye to know what to look for.
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That's some top notch info there!!!!

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