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Old 12-17-2013, 07:48 PM
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Default Setup Sheet for V3.1

Guys,

It took a little time to pull together but I have a Setup Sheet that is an Editable PDF now that I will share with all. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Xerun 120A V3.1 ESC - 12-17-2013.pdf

This should help us track and share setup information for these great escs. I am working on ones for the other Hobbywing models as well.

Good Luck!

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Originally Posted by JFuel11
Guys,

It took a little time to pull together but I have a Setup Sheet that is an Editable PDF now that I will share with all. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Attachment 1145494

This should help us track and share setup information for these great escs. I am working on ones for the other Hobbywing models as well.

Good Luck!

Alan
Thanks Alan! What a great thing.
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Default Punch Control Info:

Originally Posted by 5th wheel
. Can someone explain to me about punch on the v3.1 and how it works and why. I don't understand it or how to use it 17.5 motor . and what it does. .? Thanks
Some of this info is directly from the manual but I will try to add some additional details:

Punch Rate Control: This group of settings is used to define the starting mode of the ESC. There are a number of the sub-options for this setting. The software has the option to include a dual stage punch rate, which is
helpful in allowing a different punch setting for different areas of the forward throttle.

Note: Please note that if you use a high punch setting, you must use good quality battery packs with powerful discharge
ability. Otherwise these modes cannot get the burst start effect as you want. If the motor cannot run smoothly (the motor
is trembling), it may caused by a weak discharge ability of the battery pack.

2A – Punch Rate Switch Point: This setting defines the point in the forward throttle position at which the punch rate changes.
Options: 1-99%, in steps of 1%.
2B – 1st Stage Punch Rate: This is the level of punch used in the first stage of the punch range, before the switch point.
Setting 1 is least punch, with 30 being the most.
Options: 1 – 30, with steps of 1.
2C – 2nd Stage Punch Rate: This is the level of punch used in the second stage of the punch range, after the switch
point. Setting 1 is least punch, with 30 being the most.
Options: 1 – 30, with steps of 1.


My Summary:
The punch is basically what others call a current limiter. It limits the amount of initial power that is allowed to go to the motor. Most ESC have this as just a single general setting. Hobbywing gives us much more control over this setting that the competition.

The punch rate switch point is basically the percent of throttle that it uses 1st punch rate setting vs 2nd punch rate setting. If you leave this setting at 1% then you really only need to adjust the 2nd punch rate setting as any adjustment to the 1st punch rate would not be felt in only the first 1% of throttle being used.

Application:
For 17.5 Racing applications, since the motor is pretty mild on the bottom end power you would usually run the Switch Point at 1% and just adjust the second punch rate setting. On a high traction surface I would run this all the way up at 30 getting the most bottom end power your 17.5 has to offer.

If you are running on a super slick track you could benefit from turning the punch setting down to 10 or lower, but keep in mind you are limiting your initial on throttle power!

For Modified racing you can really used these setting to dial in the power.

For Example: You can set the switch point to say 30% then set you 1st punch rate to something low like 5 or 10 so you don't spin the tires as easily from a super low speed where you are off the throttle a lot, however you can then set the second punch rate higher to 20 or 30 so that once the car is rolling off of a sweeper you will still have full power from 31% of throttle input and up.

It is a great setting to fool around with if needed.

If you are running High Traction Large open track 17.5 motor, Most likely leave switch point set to 1% and 2nd Punch setting to 30 for most power available!

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Default 17.5 Setups Blinky and Boosted

Originally Posted by 5th wheel
At my track we use boost in 17.5. What your talking about is what we call box stock.
No timing no boost everything at zero. Thanks anyway
Jerry,

Give these setups a try. I think you will be very happy with the boosted and Turbo Setups. I do have to advise that the "Wild Boosted Setup" has not been tested on a Novak motor, only Hobbywing V10 17.5 and Trinity D3.5 17.5 Motor so watch temps VERY Closely after just a lap or two check motor temps and then every min after that until the run is over. Don't run more than 7-8 min at a time just to be safe without checking motor temps every min!

V3.1 17.5 Blinky Setup
Xerun 120A V3.1 ESC - 17.5 Blinky Setup.pdf

V3.1 17.5 Mild Boost/Turbo Setup
Xerun 120A V3.1 ESC - 17.5 Mild Boost Setup.pdf

V3.1 17.5 Wild Boost/Turbo Setup
Xerun 120A V3.1 ESC - 17.5 Wild Boost Setup.pdf

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Originally Posted by JFuel11
Guys,

It took a little time to pull together but I have a Setup Sheet that is an Editable PDF now that I will share with all. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Attachment 1145494

This should help us track and share setup information for these great escs. I am working on ones for the other Hobbywing models as well.

Good Luck!

Alan
Great job this should help for some .
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has any one run a sct pro with a 4000kv combo and how did you like it
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thank you for that information. and your time to type it up. I will definitely print this out and mess around with it at the track. I am using a4600 Miley amp battery with a 80 c rating: and a 4000 Miley amp 60c rating: to practice with I use the 80 c battery to race. are these batteries a high enough discharge rate that you are talking about they are shortly packs.
another thing I don't understand is about turbo I read somewhere here that turbo is not used in 2 wheel drive buggy b4.1 that I run with. do you know if this is true or not thanks again for your time and help appreciated.
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another question is what mode should I do this in I see it's got 10 different modes should be practice mode or buggy short course mode or does it make a difference.
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Originally Posted by 5th wheel
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thank you for that information. and your time to type it up. I will definitely print this out and mess around with it at the track. I am using a4600 Miley amp battery with a 80 c rating: and a 4000 Miley amp 60c rating: to practice with I use the 80 c battery to race. are these batteries a high enough discharge rate that you are talking about they are shortly packs.
another thing I don't understand is about turbo I read somewhere here that turbo is not used in 2 wheel drive buggy b4.1 that I run with. do you know if this is true or not thanks again for your time and help appreciated.
Jerry,

The batteries you have would be just fine and should perform very well.

In regards to the Turbo, it is all in how you use the Turbo Feature.

Originally Turbo was used only on really large tracks almost like a second gear. You could even see when turbo would kick in down the straights. The problem was it would cause tire spin when it kicks in and usually by the time it kicked in you would be slowing down for the corners!

The way my setups leverage turbo is a much smoother transition into the turbo earlier in the power band so the motor never stops pulling. I run smaller pinions and spin the motor more RPM. This setup has proven to be very ballistic with smooth power from bottom to top.

So it is not wrong to not use turbo, it is all in the setup and how/when you apply the boost and turbo.

When using Boost and Turbo I am able to isolate the power-band of the motor in three stages with control over each.

Gearing and Endbell Timing to Control Motor's power on the Bottom End
Boost To control motor in the midrange power
Turbo to control motors top end power


Also on the Novak motor, I would start with motor end-bell timing at 0 if you try the "Wild Boost Setup" I shared!

Hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by 5th wheel
another question is what mode should I do this in I see it's got 10 different modes should be practice mode or buggy short course mode or does it make a difference.
Jerry,

Use the "Stock" Mode at least I think that is what it is call. The modes just have different settings already geared for the different applications.
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Originally Posted by JFuel11
Jerry,

Give these setups a try. I think you will be very happy with the boosted and Turbo Setups. I do have to advise that the "Wild Boosted Setup" has not been tested on a Novak motor, only Hobbywing V10 17.5 and Trinity D3.5 17.5 Motor so watch temps VERY Closely after just a lap or two check motor temps and then every min after that until the run is over. Don't run more than 7-8 min at a time just to be safe without checking motor temps every min!

V3.1 17.5 Blinky Setup
Attachment 1145523

V3.1 17.5 Mild Boost/Turbo Setup
Attachment 1145524

V3.1 17.5 Wild Boost/Turbo Setup
Attachment 1145525

Good Luck!
In your 17.5 blinky setup, under alternative motor Trinity D3.5 you put the gearing as 59/33... Is that right or was it intended to be 69/33?
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Originally Posted by Captcha
In your 17.5 blinky setup, under alternative motor Trinity D3.5 you put the gearing as 59/33... Is that right or was it intended to be 69/33?
Thanks for catching that!!!

You are correct!!! 69/33

I will fix the sheet and re-post.

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Should be fixed now!

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has any one run a sct pro with a 4000kv combo and how did you like it
I just got my 4000KV Hobbywing motor and plan to do some testing with it in my SC104x4 this weekend. I will keep you posted.

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yes it does help. thanks again for your time. I will print all this out and study on it.
I think I might be over geared I am at 69/36. on the b4.1.buggy novak 17.5 I am using the 13mm Roeder and the 17.5 ultra low resistance stater in this Novak that I have don't know if that would make any difference or not thanks again for your help at least it gives me some kind of idea and a starting point to learn on this v3.1hw.
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