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37 RACING 11-23-2009 05:34 PM

SPEC Speed Control's
 
Were gonna let our slash's run brushless system this year and want them to run A SPEC speed controler but have more option's than just one!We want it to be under $100.00 new without motor!I know NOVAK has the havoc sport but what else is out their like tekin and lrp?

NovakTwo 11-24-2009 06:08 AM

In order to compare among various Spec controllers, our Havoc 2S controller offers:


On-board, user-friendly interface with nine adjustable parameters:

~Minimum Brake (10 settings from 0-27%)

~Drag Brake (10 settings from 0-27%)

~Dead Band (5 settings from 2-6%)

~Minimum Drive (5 settings from 1-5%)

~Throttle Curve (Linear and Expo)

~Brake Frequency (7 settings from 1-8 kHz)

~Reverse

~Motor Rotation

~Li-Po Cut-Off via Novak’s One-Touch™ button

Cain 11-24-2009 11:29 AM

would be curious too to see what ESCs under $100 will fit the bill.

I know that Turnigy has some really nice ESCs right now that are dirt cheap if you don't mind getting stuff from overseas.

From what I can tell using a quick browse on Amain:

- Castle Creations Sidewinder ESC
- Losi Xcelorin ESC
- LRP AI Brushless ESC
- Novak Havoc 3S ESC


Interesting through, the Velineon ESC is over the price limit.

Another one of interest based on its stated specs and price is this:

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...r-Combo-3000KV

For $100, you get a motor and speed control that is rated up to 17.5 motors. Its sensorless, but looks very similar to the Turnigy 60A unit I have used and when setup properly is actually quite smooth. If these work out, could make a nice hopup motor and ESC combo and you could spec on them too.

Also has a nice programmer card.

The Traxxas Velineon system is only $135 :

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...r-Combo-3000KV

There is actually a few nice combos with motor and speed control under the $150 limit. from a variety of manufacturers. Speed Passion even has one labeled as a short course setup:

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...r-Combo-3600kV

A variety of ways you guys can go with this. Good luck!

NovakTwo 11-24-2009 11:35 AM

If you are using 2S w/sensored spec motors, then our Havoc 2S (@79.99) would be cheaper than the Havoc 3S. (99.99)

Cain 11-24-2009 12:33 PM

not seeing that ESC on tower or amainhobbies, is it only available direct?

anyway, would add another option for sure.

NovakTwo 11-24-2009 12:52 PM

Only direct, for now.

37 RACING 11-24-2009 03:59 PM

Here's a question does the Havoc have a advantage over a GTB or Does the GTB have the advantage?Alot of are racers have the GTB and i'm looking for speed'o equvliant to the GTB!Some racers are still running brushed and are switching to brushless in their SLASH's this year and i want to keep everone on a level playing field when i put out the rules.Our club is trying to keep racing cheap and keep out the high end speed control's in a SPEC class!We want to keep everyone on a level playing field like the Slash class is now but want to go brushless since the slash motor's are eratic and seem not to last real long!

Cain 11-24-2009 06:44 PM

from what I can tell here:

http://www.teamnovak.com/products/es...spec_chart.htm

looks like the gtb has an advantage as far as resistance and profiles.

Also has a lower turn motor limit, though, not sure how that translates into a performance gain over say the havoc with a spec motor.

NovakTwo 11-25-2009 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by 37 RACING (Post 6639521)
Here's a question does the Havoc have a advantage over a GTB or Does the GTB have the advantage?Alot of are racers have the GTB and i'm looking for speed'o equvliant to the GTB!Some racers are still running brushed and are switching to brushless in their SLASH's this year and i want to keep everone on a level playing field when i put out the rules.

Our club is trying to keep racing cheap and keep out the high end speed control's in a SPEC class!We want to keep everyone on a level playing field like the Slash class is now but want to go brushless since the slash motor's are eratic and seem not to last real long!

Our Havoc Pros have a motor limit of 3.5T; they are basically a GTB with upgraded software. If you are looking for an affordable, non-timing controller with the lower sensored motor limit, the Havoc Pro would be ideal.

Havoc Pro/Ballistic Systems are less than $200.00. If you are looking for a more level playing field, but the low on-resistance of the GTB, the Havoc Pro is your best choice.

37 RACING 11-25-2009 06:42 PM

Well thanks for imput:)I think we will make it SPEC with the GTB/HAVOC Pro as two speedo's and we are mandating a 17.5ss NOVAK motor no ballistics:sneaky:

NovakTwo 11-26-2009 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by 37 RACING (Post 6644053)
Well thanks for imput:)I think we will make it SPEC with the GTB/HAVOC Pro as two speedo's and we are mandating a 17.5ss NOVAK motor no ballistics:sneaky:

Your budget conscious racers could consider factory re-manufactured GTBs and 17.5T SS Pro Spec motors. They are offered with a new 120 day factory warranty.

TeamNovak's Factory Re-Manufactured Store

UltegraSTI 11-26-2009 06:51 AM

be honest up here, 'mod' slash flopped. people just like the simplicity of just being the same and not spendin any $ on this nice cheap truck. and now that all the trucks have been brought in and the track has found thru lots of testing that most all of them are pretty equal. its made for a real good show. they chose to break it up by ability level, but the 'pro' class is still almost completely stock (ur radio and rx, choice of oils/pinion, and 1 or 2 parts found to be weak pts on each respective truck slash-shock caps, losi-driveshafts etc). in fact all trucks with a 4600 down to a 17.5 never managed to outrun the stock truck on stock rubber here.

somethin to chew on. every1 talks bout droppin brushless in their slash, but between the $ and fact that the trucks are so quick around the track already in present form. it died a quick death. ur track may be different...but the cheap factor still has trucks flyin out the door.

best of luck.

R

justanotherdude 11-26-2009 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by 37 RACING (Post 6635369)
Were gonna let our slash's run brushless system this year and want them to run A SPEC speed controler but have more option's than just one!We want it to be under $100.00 new without motor!I know NOVAK has the havoc sport but what else is out their like tekin and lrp?


the words "SPEC" and "options" don't work in the same sentence ;)

keep it simple and there are no issues, offer options and people always figure out ways to get around the rules

burnineyes 11-26-2009 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by ultegrasti (Post 6645571)

somethin to chew on. every1 talks bout droppin brushless in their slash, but between the $ and fact that the trucks are so quick around the track already in present form. it died a quick death. ur track may be different...but the cheap factor still has trucks flyin out the door.

best of luck.

R

The problem is that people assume getting a brushless system will make their truck light years faster. BUt thats not even the point, I use brushless because it lasts and lasts. Sure, stock motors are plenty fast for stock tires and most drivers, but after a few weeks of racing I have to buy another to stay competitive. If you want to keep these guys racing for a long time, brushless only makes sense.
Plenty of cheap brushless systems out there work great and last damn near forever. Cost arguments go out the window if you want to keep racing.

Curtis williams 11-27-2009 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by 37 RACING (Post 6635369)
Were gonna let our slash's run brushless system this year and want them to run A SPEC speed controler but have more option's than just one!We want it to be under $100.00 new without motor!I know NOVAK has the havoc sport but what else is out their like tekin and lrp?

NAW FOR ME IT WOULD B THE EZRUN SETUP LOOK FOR IT ON EBAY CHEAP AND FAST AS HELL OR GO LOOK IT YOU ON YOUTUBE MAN TRUST ITS QUICK. AND GET THE KIT WITH THE MOTOR ALREADY. NOT JUST ESC. OK THEY COST ABOUT NO MORE THEN 80 DOLLARS

37 RACING 11-27-2009 08:50 AM

SPEED is not the issue here!We are looking for affordability/depedebility/and staying close to stock motor speed so both trucks stock and brushless will compete!

NovakTwo 11-27-2009 08:55 AM

Something else to consider when deciding on which brushless products to purchase is the after-sale options offered by the manufacturer. Novak maintains a comprehensive Service Replacement Options program for both our brushless motors and our speed controls. Even replacements for discontinued items.

Novak customers can always return Non Warranty items (both working and damaged) and replace them w/remanufactured products for @40-50% of the cost of purchasing a new product. Most returned motors can be swapped for a different wind motor than the one returned.

We also offer a complete line of service and replacement parts/accessories on-line so customers can make minor repairs (rotors, power caps, harnesses, wires, etc) to the products without returning them to the factory for service.


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