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cvccsi 07-31-2009 02:43 PM

Hyperion EOS 0606i
 
Need some advice here....

I am new to electric RC and need to pick a chager for lipo setup. Will this charger be more than enough for club racing? Probably will be using packs such as the SMC 40C 5200mAh or TP 40C 5000mAh.

Thanks.

Duster_360 07-31-2009 02:54 PM

Thats a 50watt charger. As long as you're only charging 2S, you'll see no charge current limiting like you would if you were trying to charge 4S. It will charge lipos up to 6S, but will take more time due to reduced charge current used to stay under the 50watt power limit.

Has a 6amp max charge, so you're good up to 6000mah for a 1C type charge.

cvccsi 07-31-2009 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Duster_360 (Post 6143878)
Thats a 50watt charger. As long as you're only charging 2S, you'll see no charge current limiting like you would if you were trying to charge 4S. It will charge lipos up to 6S, but will take more time due to reduced charge current used to stay under the 50watt power limit.

Has a 6amp max charge, so you're good up to 6000mah for a 1C type charge.

Thanks.

Midnight 09-15-2009 06:17 PM

What about this charger? HYPERION EOS1210I 12S 30N LIPOLY/A123/NICD/NIMH CHARGER

madweazl 09-15-2009 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Duster_360 (Post 6143878)
Thats a 50watt charger. As long as you're only charging 2S, you'll see no charge current limiting like you would if you were trying to charge 4S. It will charge lipos up to 6S, but will take more time due to reduced charge current used to stay under the 50watt power limit.

Has a 6amp max charge, so you're good up to 6000mah for a 1C type charge.

Is this a limitation using DC as well?

Duster_360 09-15-2009 07:06 PM

Yes, it is liomited to 50watt in either AC or DC mode. If you open the manual, it says 50watts LIMIT in the description for charge current. If you go into teh DC 0606i, it says the same thing, 50 watt LIMIT.

Dave H 09-15-2009 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 6350321)
What about this charger? HYPERION EOS1210I 12S 30N LIPOLY/A123/NICD/NIMH CHARGER

I don't think that model has a built in balancer, which is very good to have if you're ever going to charge lipos.

Duster_360 09-15-2009 07:28 PM

1210 came out before Hyperion started doing builtin balancers, it does not have a balancer and is set up to work with the LBA10 balancer.

Midnight 09-15-2009 07:37 PM

So will it charge an 4s lipo? either one, or will it just take longer, and lastly should I just buy a ice charger and a balancer?

Dave H 09-15-2009 08:32 PM

Yeah, a 1210 should charge most 4S just fine, plenty of power. The 606 will too, but you're right it just takes longer (depends on what size 4S of course), only does about 3 amps on a 4S.

Could consider the Hyperion 0720 model with a built in balancer, but then might well need a power supply if you don’t have one already, so I guess either way it’s 2 boxes, and roughly similar money if you don’t already have the power supply.

Personally I’d go with the either Hyperion over the Ice. The Ice with balancer probably ends up being 3 boxes. The Ice buttons are sometimes troublesome, no backlight, less power (probably enough, but not much extra), many of the cool features aren’t all that useful for lipo.

Midnight 09-15-2009 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Dave H (Post 6350990)
Yeah, a 1210 should charge most 4S just fine, plenty of power. The 606 will too, but you're right it just takes longer (depends on what size 4S of course), only does about 3 amps on a 4S.

Could consider the Hyperion 0720 model with a built in balancer, but then might well need a power supply if you don’t have one already, so I guess either way it’s 2 boxes, and roughly similar money if you don’t already have the power supply.

Personally I’d go with the either Hyperion over the Ice. The Ice with balancer probably ends up being 3 boxes. The Ice buttons are sometimes troublesome, no backlight, less power (probably enough, but not much extra), many of the cool features aren’t all that useful for lipo.

Thanks bro, yeah I already have a orion carbon and lrp 14 amp power supply. I dont plan on charging the 4s packs all the time, just need them for my starter box and like the way the hyperion chargers have the board were you can charge and balance at the same time.

Duster_360 09-16-2009 03:51 AM

I have an Ice charger that died after only 4yrs of service - the big button started getting flaky and after a 10a discharge, it went haywire, basically screen says its working, but nothing really happens.

If youre looking for an alternative to the 0720i and don't want to buy used. consider the iCharger 106b (6S, 10amps, 250watts) that AMain is selling, it has the power of the 0720i, builtin balancer for about $50 less. Has solid feedback on rcgroups batt/charger forum.


url]http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/products_id/34713/n/ProTek-R-C-iCharger-106B-Lilo-LiPo-Life-NiMH-NiCD-DC-Battery-Charger-6S-10A-250W[/url]

Its big bro, the iCHarger 208B (8S, 20amps, 350watts) may be my next charger.

Midnight 09-16-2009 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Duster_360 (Post 6352006)
I have an Ice charger that died after only 4yrs of service - the big button started getting flaky and after a 10a discharge, it went haywire, basically screen says its working, but nothing really happens.

If youre looking for an alternative to the 0720i and don't want to buy used. consider the iCharger 106b (6S, 10amps, 250watts) that AMain is selling, it has the power of the 0720i, builtin balancer for about $50 less. Has solid feedback on rcgroups batt/charger forum.


url]http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/products_id/34713/n/ProTek-R-C-iCharger-106B-Lilo-LiPo-Life-NiMH-NiCD-DC-Battery-Charger-6S-10A-250W[/url]

Its big bro, the iCHarger 208B (8S, 20amps, 350watts) may be my next charger.


I just found this one for like 75 as a package deal, Hyperion EOS1210i w/LBA10 Lipo Charger w/power supply. I really like the idea of that i charger.

Dave H 09-16-2009 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 6352760)
I just found this one for like 75 as a package deal, Hyperion EOS1210i w/LBA10 Lipo Charger w/power supply. I really like the idea of that i charger.

I was looking at a site that listed the 1210 as an AC/DC charger, but I think that may have been in error. Sorry for any confusion.

Zerodefect 09-16-2009 02:53 PM

The 0606i is perfect for 1/10th electric and any nitro raceing. One of the easiest chargers I've ever used. My favorite charger.

I also have a 0610 charger for 1/8th scale electric battries and airplane batteries. It has a 250 watt output. So if your into or going to be into big electrics this is the ticket.

Don't forget to pick up an alighn/jst-xh balence adapter when you order.

I use an optima 12v car battery as a power supply. Never fails. Even though my 0606i is AC/DC I usually hook it up to my battery because track power is pretty sketchy. I plug a small battery tender style charger to the optima and plug that charger in to keep the 12v optima car battery charged (if needed).

madweazl 09-16-2009 04:12 PM

I really like my 0606i but I only use it for my mini, rx packs, and starter box packs.

Duster_360 09-16-2009 05:23 PM

All E RC has the 1210 on sale for $85 (180watts, 10amps) -

http://www.allerc.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=2785


If you use the Hyperion LBA10 balancer, you can monitor cell voltages on the 1210 charger, they were designed to work together.

Dave H 09-16-2009 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Zerodefect (Post 6354310)
I use an optima 12v car battery as a power supply. Never fails. Even though my 0606i is AC/DC I usually hook it up to my battery because track power is pretty sketchy. I plug a small battery tender style charger to the optima and plug that charger in to keep the 12v optima car battery charged (if needed).

I thought I was about the only guy that did that. But I just use a marine deep cycle battery, wish I had an Optima gel cell job if that’s what you mean. I only do it outside and big inside races though. Can’t beat the power quality & reliability. No worry about generators running out, cords getting yanked, overloaded circuits. I have an inverter for the iron even. Comes in handy when the wind picks up! :D:D

And it’s always good for a few laughs, quite the Rube Goldberg set up. :p;)

+ on the Hyperion 606 for 1/10 scale. I’ve got the little DC only one, nice and small. Finishes the CV portion faster than anything I’ve tried. Need to grab another one.

justsomeguy 09-17-2009 08:03 PM

bit of a thread jack..
I have the Hyperion EOS 6061i ac/dc charger... Read the manual, hooked up a 5000mah 2S Zippy and off I went. Charging at 5.0 amps..It was done when I got home.
Today I tried it on my mini battery. 1600mah 3S zippy... Its been hours since it started. The charger says it is charging at .16 amps.

Shouldn't it be 1.6 amps?????

I thought I went through the menus right...Is it seeing something wrong with my battery or something?
Thanks
Tony

racer1812 09-18-2009 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by justsomeguy (Post 6360541)
bit of a thread jack..
I have the Hyperion EOS 6061i ac/dc charger... Read the manual, hooked up a 5000mah 2S Zippy and off I went. Charging at 5.0 amps..It was done when I got home.
Today I tried it on my mini battery. 1600mah 3S zippy... Its been hours since it started. The charger says it is charging at .16 amps.

Shouldn't it be 1.6 amps?????

I thought I went through the menus right...Is it seeing something wrong with my battery or something?
Thanks
Tony

First you left your lipo charging unattended:eek: BAD idea! Second, how many hours?? It's a normal part of the charging to see .16amps on some packs as it's almost full but on a pack that small it should have terminated the charge within an hour I'd guess ( I have a 610inet)

Read your post again..did you set the mah for the pack to 1600 or did you put in 160 by mistake as that would take forever and set the charge rate at .16 amps automaticaly.

justsomeguy 09-18-2009 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by racer1812 (Post 6361803)
First you left your lipo charging unattended:eek: BAD idea! Second, how many hours?? It's a normal part of the charging to see .16amps on some packs as it's almost full but on a pack that small it should have terminated the charge within an hour I'd guess ( I have a 610inet)

Read your post again..did you set the mah for the pack to 1600 or did you put in 160 by mistake as that would take forever and set the charge rate at .16 amps automaticaly.

I understand bad things happen to Lipos. But I dont have the kind of life where I can watch grass grow. If I wanted to be there the whole charge cycle I would have bought a treadmill or generator for my bike :D
I did have it set at 1600 though. And it did take hours. In fact when I left for work it was still going. No 'battery charged' or anything like that.
I am going to run that sucker down again and attempt it once more
Tony

Duster_360 09-18-2009 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by justsomeguy (Post 6360541)
bit of a thread jack..
I have the Hyperion EOS 6061i ac/dc charger... Read the manual, hooked up a 5000mah 2S Zippy and off I went. Charging at 5.0 amps..It was done when I got home.
Today I tried it on my mini battery. 1600mah 3S zippy... Its been hours since it started. The charger says it is charging at .16 amps.

Shouldn't it be 1.6 amps?????

I thought I went through the menus right...Is it seeing something wrong with my battery or something?
Thanks
Tony

With some zippys, cells get way out of balance, especially with a deep disch and depending on your balancer, it can take hours and hours to get them back in balance and charged. Ck cell voltages with a dvm using the balance tap and see how far apart they are before charging. My Neus rarely get more than 3-7mv apart (.003 - .007v) and if I don't pull a lot of mah out they usually won't show any diff.

justsomeguy 09-18-2009 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Duster_360 (Post 6363705)
With some zippys, cells get way out of balance, especially with a deep disch and depending on your balancer, it can take hours and hours to get them back in balance and charged. Ck cell voltages with a dvm using the balance tap and see how far apart they are before charging. My Neus rarely get more than 3-7mv apart (.003 - .007v) and if I don't pull a lot of mah out they usually won't show any diff.

Well last night it was just a PITA. Today I ran it down and tried to charge it. Iit said one cell was way out. Tried it twice...same result. Third time it acted normally..Maybe I should let it cool down 15 minutes before charging.
And BTW, its at the 1.6amp rate now! :D
I take it back... its down to like 20ma rate now.....and its been forever. God I hope this charger is ok and its a one time thing with this battery....

Zerodefect 09-19-2009 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by justsomeguy (Post 6364194)
Well last night it was just a PITA. Today I ran it down and tried to charge it. Iit said one cell was way out. Tried it twice...same result. Third time it acted normally..Maybe I should let it cool down 15 minutes before charging.
And BTW, its at the 1.6amp rate now! :D
I take it back... its down to like 20ma rate now.....and its been forever. God I hope this charger is ok and its a one time thing with this battery....

Sounds like that battery is dieing. I had a maxamps puff and die the same way. The charger will charge a little then try to balence, if the pack is bad it won't balence, and the charger will keep trying to balence before charging again. Its a good safety feature.

justsomeguy 09-19-2009 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Zerodefect (Post 6366222)
Sounds like that battery is dieing. I had a maxamps puff and die the same way. The charger will charge a little then try to balence, if the pack is bad it won't balence, and the charger will keep trying to balence before charging again. Its a good safety feature.

Hm
The pack could well be near the end. It was used, and by the condition of the car when i got it, WELL used..
I am getting some new packs so we'll see
T

curtisp 09-20-2009 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by justsomeguy (Post 6363622)
I understand bad things happen to Lipos. But I dont have the kind of life where I can watch grass grow. If I wanted to be there the whole charge cycle I would have bought a treadmill or generator for my bike :D
I did have it set at 1600 though. And it did take hours. In fact when I left for work it was still going. No 'battery charged' or anything like that.
I am going to run that sucker down again and attempt it once more
Tony


I understand that you might not want to or don't have the time to sit around watching grass grow or babysitting your lipos while they are charging...but I would definitely recommend using some sort of lipo sack or other fire resistant container while charging (maybe you already are using one.) Better safe than sorry.

BIG RE 09-20-2009 03:23 PM

I just got a 0606i, does this DC cord come off somehow? It looks like it can but I don't want to damage anything. Thanks.


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