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Battery Charger Comparisons
Looking into buying a new battery charger. What is the benefit of spending $300 vs. a budget charger? Not sure if its worth spending the extra cash. Does it really matter?
For racing a buggy are there any differences that I will be needing to justify spending more on a charger? |
The main thing a more expensive battery charger gives you is the ability to charge the battery more quickly. Some of the stock classes discharge at 40A, then charge at 40A in order to get the internal temperature of the battery higher. This gives the car more punch/speed in the early part of the race. You will need an external resistor bank in order to discharge at 40A. Personally I've never done this. I charge at 12 amps and discharge at 10 amps. 10A is the max discharge my 406duo has without using a resistor bank. I have had cheaper chargers in the past and they would only charge at 6A and it took a long time to recharge after a race. Another thing people will mention is the more expensive models will do a better job of balancing your cells which results in better battery life. Good Luck.
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Usually the more expensive ones have a 2 amp balance port. The cheaper ones are usually 1 amp
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The biggest benefit to a higher end charger is a bigger wattage budget. The majority of sub 50$ chargers have a wattage of 50 or less. This really comes into play if your charging larger cell count packs,
Recently picked up a Gens Ace IMars charger, which offers 300 watts on each channel when using an external DC PSU. My backup chargers are ISDT branded units, and they work pretty good. If your racing 2wd buggy, pretty much anything will work. 8 volts at 6amps, which would be a pretty common charge rate for 2s lipo packs works out to 48watts. If your charging 4/6S packs, at 6amp you need between 100 and 200 watts. My suggestion would be to pick up something in the 100$ range, and purchase a used HP server power supply. Then do the |
Originally Posted by glennhl
(Post 16126758)
The main thing a more expensive battery charger gives you is the ability to charge the battery more quickly. Some of the stock classes discharge at 40A, then charge at 40A in order to get the internal temperature of the battery higher. This gives the car more punch/speed in the early part of the race. You will need an external resistor bank in order to discharge at 40A. Personally I've never done this. I charge at 12 amps and discharge at 10 amps. 10A is the max discharge my 406duo has without using a resistor bank. I have had cheaper chargers in the past and they would only charge at 6A and it took a long time to recharge after a race. Another thing people will mention is the more expensive models will do a better job of balancing your cells which results in better battery life. Good Luck.
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Originally Posted by Darkgenerals
(Post 16126770)
I've seen this mentioned before, could you not accomplish the same thing by keeping the battery in a hot box of sorts? All your doing is decreasing cycle life by charging at 8x the c rate of a typical 5AH battery, and when you damage lipos they take less MAH, and punch would drop off quicker.
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Originally Posted by Darkgenerals
(Post 16126770)
I've seen this mentioned before, could you not accomplish the same thing by keeping the battery in a hot box of sorts? All your doing is decreasing cycle life by charging at 8x the c rate of a typical 5AH battery, and when you damage lipos they take less MAH, and punch would drop off quicker.
Note: Most of the crazy charge/discharge and heating of batteries is for stock racing. If you're racing mod, then just get a decent charger that will charge your batteries. Although, an iCharger is nice to have as it does a good job of showing you the stats of your batteries and helps with maintaining the health of your battery. |
I break everything down here:
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Originally Posted by EricW
(Post 16126796)
If you're hammering a battery with a 40-amp discharge/charge cycle to heat it up and drop the impedance to get better performance you're probably not overly concerned with the life of your batteries. I believe there's also a rule that your battery has to be within a few degrees of the ambient temperature of where you are racing. I'd also prefer someone use an iCharger to cycle their batteries than sticking a battery in a toaster oven.
Note: Most of the crazy charge/discharge and heating of batteries is for stock racing. If you're racing mod, then just get a decent charger that will charge your batteries. Although, an iCharger is nice to have as it does a good job of showing you the stats of your batteries and helps with maintaining the health of your battery. Honestly surprised racers don't put small heating strips between cells to warm them internally. You could hide it pretty well, and its only cheating if you get caught. |
Originally Posted by Darkgenerals
(Post 16126818)
Surface temp of the pack?
Honestly surprised racers don't put small heating strips between cells to warm them internally. You could hide it pretty well, and its only cheating if you get caught. You may say it is no cheating when not caught, to my knowledge cheating is not acting within the limits of the rules with or w/o being caught.. |
Originally Posted by Darkgenerals
(Post 16126770)
I've seen this mentioned before, could you not accomplish the same thing by keeping the battery in a hot box of sorts? All your doing is decreasing cycle life by charging at 8x the c rate of a typical 5AH battery, and when you damage lipos they take less MAH, and punch would drop off quicker.
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Originally Posted by Darkgenerals
(Post 16126818)
Surface temp of the pack?
Honestly surprised racers don't put small heating strips between cells to warm them internally. You could hide it pretty well, and its only cheating if you get caught. |
Originally Posted by glennhl
(Post 16126875)
This would be 100 times better than the stupid 40 amp charging and discharging. But it's not allowed per rules. At our club we had to start a 20 amp charging limit because we were breaking the circuit breaker.
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Originally Posted by glennhl
(Post 16126875)
This would be 100 times better than the stupid 40 amp charging and discharging. But it's not allowed per rules. At our club we had to start a 20 amp charging limit because we were breaking the circuit breaker.
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Originally Posted by EricW
(Post 16126900)
There are some people that can't pop a bag of popcorn without burning it and you want to allow them to toss a LiPo in a heating "oven"?
Expandable Heated Lipo Sleeve (drcproshop.com) |
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