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Brandon11m 07-16-2024 09:04 AM

Solid state batteries in RC?
 
Earlier today I saw this solid state battery bank and it got me thinking of when we may see solid state batteries show up in RC? I got into RC shortly before LiPo became a thing and it seemed like RC was one of the early adopters of lithium batteries compared to how nowadays they are everywhere so it got me thinking if we may see solid state batteries show up in RC some time soon allowing for even higher performance batteries than we have now. I don't know when we may see them but I'm intrigued by the idea and wonder if they may result in the next evolution in battery sizing from the big stick packs, to now shorty packs and maybe with the advantages of solid state tech maybe we will see the super shorty form factor make a return and allow for changes in chassis packaging and lower car weights.

Was just interested in getting a conversation going about this and seeing what other people may think.

oldfool 07-16-2024 09:34 AM


Tesla has decided not to go down the solid-state battery route

significant disadvantage especially of all solid state batteries is high resistance
at the electrode/solid electrolyte interface that hinders fast charging and discharging
.
https://www.google.com/search?q=soli...hrome&ie=UTF-8

RetroThutmose 07-17-2024 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by oldfool (Post 16113846)

Yeah, that's what a Google search says, but this is a technology that is being developed quickly by many different teams, universities, companies, and governments. There are breakthroughs in this tech frequently.

https://seas.harvard.edu/news/2024/0...ousands-cycles

I would be surprised if RC would be an early adopter for this tech. I see the potential for better, smaller, safer batteries being good for everyone. I just think RC applications will take a while to manifest.

JevUK 07-19-2024 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Brandon11m (Post 16113833)
Earlier today I saw this solid state battery bank and it got me thinking of when we may see solid state batteries show up in RC? I got into RC shortly before LiPo became a thing and it seemed like RC was one of the early adopters of lithium batteries compared to how nowadays they are everywhere so it got me thinking if we may see solid state batteries show up in RC some time soon allowing for even higher performance batteries than we have now. I don't know when we may see them but I'm intrigued by the idea and wonder if they may result in the next evolution in battery sizing from the big stick packs, to now shorty packs and maybe with the advantages of solid state tech maybe we will see the super shorty form factor make a return and allow for changes in chassis packaging and lower car weights.

Was just interested in getting a conversation going about this and seeing what other people may think.

although not solid state I am interested in the new cell molicell are releasing.

I want to make a long inline 2 cell 2s pack but a side by side would make a shorty with only 140/150 grams and a bit narrower than a traditional shorty an 16mm shorter. @ 4800-5000mah. if you had a chassis with cell slots like the good old days could be 3mm lower too.

https://eu.nkon.nl/molicel-inr21700-...00mah-50a.html

Brandon11m 07-19-2024 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by JevUK (Post 16114454)
although not solid state I am interested in the new cell molicell are releasing.

I want to make a long inline 2 cell 2s pack but a side by side would make a shorty with only 140/150 grams and a bit narrower than a traditional shorty an 16mm shorter. @ 4800-5000mah. if you had a chassis with cell slots like the good old days could be 3mm lower too.

https://eu.nkon.nl/molicel-inr21700-...00mah-50a.html

I had the idea of trying to use those style round cell batteries that are commonly available but the listed max discharge always seems really low compared to the 100C+ on rc batteries. I know C rating isn't the best rating system but that one you linked states 50A discharge which would only be 10C. I think the flat pouch style cells just outperform round cells in that regard like the new powerstack and forge batteries being released by dewalt and milwuakee.

I also had the thought of trying to set up a pack of super capacitors to run a car since they'd be ultra low resistance and possibly lighter weight but I'm not sure how large they'd need to be to actually last for a whole race distance

STLNLST 07-19-2024 04:14 PM

If the rc industry wanted safety over performance we would still have Kokam as a battery option…….IMO


RC10Nick 07-19-2024 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by RetroThutmose (Post 16114148)
Yeah, that's what a Google search says, but this is a technology that is being developed quickly by many different teams, universities, companies, and governments. There are breakthroughs in this tech frequently.

https://seas.harvard.edu/news/2024/0...ousands-cycles

I would be surprised if RC would be an early adopter for this tech. I see the potential for better, smaller, safer batteries being good for everyone. I just think RC applications will take a while to manifest.

For some reason RC cars are always late to the party with new tech. Airplanes had brushless and lipo a while before cars. Nowadays drones have some pretty impressive tech that I'm not sure we'll see anytime soon on cars.

gigaplex 07-19-2024 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by STLNLST (Post 16114487)
If the rc industry wanted safety over performance we would still have Kokam as a battery option…….IMO

Or we'd just use LiFe cells instead.

JevUK 07-22-2024 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by Brandon11m (Post 16114482)
I had the idea of trying to use those style round cell batteries that are commonly available but the listed max discharge always seems really low compared to the 100C+ on rc batteries. I know C rating isn't the best rating system but that one you linked states 50A discharge which would only be 10C. I think the flat pouch style cells just outperform round cells in that regard like the new powerstack and forge batteries being released by dewalt and milwuakee.

I also had the thought of trying to set up a pack of super capacitors to run a car since they'd be ultra low resistance and possibly lighter weight but I'm not sure how large they'd need to be to actually last for a whole race distance

I’d be very wary of believe those ratings on rc soft cell packs. They are massively optimistic. Not industry proven or certified etc. the 60 amp molicell is for continuous discharge so I think they may have more punch than good soft cells, I’d believe this rating to much more realistic than Over hyped rc stuff. The fastest full size cars all seem to be using cyclical cells.


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