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disaster999 03-11-2024 08:02 PM

IFMAR vs ROAR motor differences
 
Just saw HW announced their new V10 G4R motors and it comes in 2 versions, IFMAR and ROAR where IFMAR/EFRA is their "standard" version. They only have a marketing spiel for the ROAR version stating it has better cooling thanks to its "thermo conductive winding epoxy" to dissipate 15% more heat and increase power.

I know there are different rules and standard to follow for IFMAR/EFRA and ROAR sanctioned races, but what would be the main performance differences between the 2? The races I go to dont really care much about IFMAR or ROAR approved electronics, is there a "better" version for me to use?

Also, why only specify ROAR motor have that thermo conductive winding epoxy? If this really lowers temperatures and increase power, why isnt this mentioned as a blanket statement for both versions of the motor?

gigaplex 03-11-2024 08:28 PM

The only difference between ROAR and BRCA versions of motors that I've seen in the past is that ROAR allows epoxy and BRCA doesn't. I'm assuming BRCA rules mirror IFMAR/EFRA. I would not expect a performance difference other than temperature.

riceball777 03-11-2024 09:29 PM

If you dont have to run a roar approved motor I high suggest you dont. The outlawed spec 17.5 and 21.5 motors are noticeable faster as well as cheeper than any roar approved motor. I love my trinity 17.5 punisher and it’s way faster than my roar legal hobbywing g4 or my r1 wurks v21s or and my new reedy sp5 17.5 motor. Hobbywing and fantom also sell outlaw spec 17.5 and 21.5 motors.

disaster999 03-11-2024 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by riceball777 (Post 16084701)
If you dont have to run a roar approved motor I high suggest you dont. The outlawed spec 17.5 and 21.5 motors are noticeable faster as well as cheeped than any road approved motor. I love my trinity 17.5 punished and it’s way faster than my roar legal hobbywing g4 or my r1 wurks v21s or and my need reedy sp5 17.5 motor. Hobbywing and fantom also sell outlaw spec 17.5 and 21.5 motors.

The outlawed HW motors are called bandit which im running those already. They have their place in certain class, but sometimes the application calls for a lower torque higher rpm motor the V10 motor would be more suited. Im just curious what is the difference between the ROAR and standard/IFMAR specs.

gigaplex 03-12-2024 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by disaster999 (Post 16084704)
The outlawed HW motors are called bandit which im running those already. They have their place in certain class, but sometimes the application calls for a lower torque higher rpm motor the V10 motor would be more suited.

Change the rotor to a high RPM one. The Bandit stator should still be faster.


Originally Posted by disaster999 (Post 16084704)
Im just curious what is the difference between the ROAR and standard/IFMAR specs.

Epoxy.

Bicycle019 03-12-2024 09:46 PM

Reedy also has a standard and Euro spec version of the SP5 motors. This is what they mention regarding the difference - "The heat-transfer epoxy coating has been eliminated in the Euro-spec version"

https://www.associatedelectrics.com/..._5t_euro_spec/

revo_race 09-08-2024 04:52 PM

ROAR has now banned epoxy for spec motors…

gigaplex 09-08-2024 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by revo_race (Post 16125928)
ROAR has now banned epoxy for spec motors…

Now* meaning effective 1st September 2025.

jasburrito 09-08-2024 06:26 PM

Epoxy
 
This R1 13.5 has the epoxy so it is not roar legal. At a club level it is fine. And not considered bandit style. You can see how R1 put gray epoxy on the windings. The 1 down side I see is it makes it easier for someone to take off a few winds vs epoxy. I do think epoxy on the windings is bette
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...610ccc65d4.jpg
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gigaplex 09-08-2024 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by jasburrito (Post 16125948)
This R1 13.5 has the epoxy so it is not roar legal. At a club level it is fine. And not considered bandit style. You can see how R1 put gray epoxy on the windings. The 1 down side I see is it makes it easier for someone to take off a few winds vs epoxy. I do think epoxy on the windings is bette
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...610ccc65d4.jpg
r.

It's still legal until September next year.

nexxus 09-08-2024 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by revo_race (Post 16125928)
ROAR has now banned epoxy for spec motors…

Gotta prop up them motor sales somehow I guess.


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