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Originally Posted by STLNLST
(Post 15843476)
Many are overlooking his actual question…….he isn’t looking to break down the motor testing rotor strength and what not. Testing two motors on the analyzer brand new he is asking which one to keep and which one to sell. It’s not a complex question……..🤷🏾♂️
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And with a load or a real dyno the current will be that high that it is better to solder the wires fot a reliable measurement.
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I give up
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Originally Posted by STLNLST
(Post 15843476)
Many are overlooking his actual question…….he isn’t looking to break down the motor testing rotor strength and what not. Testing two motors on the analyzer brand new he is asking which one to keep and which one to sell. It’s not a complex question……..🤷🏾♂️
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Originally Posted by TurnNBurn
(Post 15843561)
Not a complex question, sure - but it’s a complex answer if you just go by the simple data he provided. So yeah, pick the one pulling less amps, but then if he has to drop two or three teeth to keep the car from being a total dog compared to everyone else on track, then what did he gain by simply choosing the motor pulling less Amps?
I've got an outlaw 17.5 motor that runs a mod rotor, and I would still gear down significantly going from that outlaw 17.5t to a 7.5t motor. |
Originally Posted by waitwhat
(Post 15843600)
Conventional wisdom says a mod motor (high rpm) geared lower will out accelerate a spec motor while also having a higher top speed
Originally Posted by waitwhat
(Post 15843600)
A high RPM motor geared lower gives better acceleration.
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
(Post 15843604)
Sure...
Not always. The OP has two motors of the same model, not one mod vs one spec. That comparison is irrelevant. Have you ever run a mod motor on an analyzer? You can make a mod pull less amps and more rpm than a spec motor pretty easily. Lastly, depending on the application a weaker rotor does translate to faster lap times, that's why there are tuning rotors. I've run that same outlaw 17.5 motor with a 1/12th scale 1s specific (high rpm rotor) and it worked great in a 1/12th scale car, but didn't do as well when I tried it in a 2wd buggy. If op switches rotors between his two motors it will give some insight into why the two motors are pulling different amps. |
Originally Posted by mts33
(Post 15840634)
I would prefer not solder one of them so I can sell it
JMHO, as usual ... ;) |
Originally Posted by waitwhat
(Post 15843613)
Without testing the gauss of the rotors and the internal resistance of the stators there is no way to know (aside from putting a load on the motors to see how they perform).
Originally Posted by waitwhat
(Post 15843613)
Have you ever run a mod motor on an analyzer? You can make a mod pull less amps and more rpm than a spec motor pretty easily.
Originally Posted by waitwhat
(Post 15843613)
Lastly, depending on the application a weaker rotor does translate to faster lap times, that's why there are tuning rotors.
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
(Post 15843628)
That's the whole point. The analyser can't tell you these things.
I have. The stator is vastly different, so making it perform differently is moot. When you put an actual load on the motors though, the mod motor will still pull more current. That's why I said "not always". You stated it as fact like it was universally true. If you want his phone number I'm sure he'd love to talk to you about it. |
Originally Posted by waitwhat
(Post 15843669)
I just got off the phone with Ron Schuur of Schuur Speed and he said there is no way two brand new motors would pull those different amps because of the slight manufacturing differences between rotors. He said the only explanation is that the stator in the one pulling less amps has a lower internal resistance. He stated the motor pulling less amps is the better motor. I trust what he says as he literally sets up locked timing motor batches for spec classes at big races.
If you want his phone number I'm sure he'd love to talk to you about it. |
Originally Posted by waitwhat
(Post 15843669)
I just got off the phone with Ron Schuur of Schuur Speed and he said there is no way two brand new motors would pull those different amps because of the slight manufacturing differences between rotors. He said the only explanation is that the stator in the one pulling less amps has a lower internal resistance. He stated the motor pulling less amps is the better motor. I trust what he says as he literally sets up locked timing motor batches for spec classes at big races.
If you want his phone number I'm sure he'd love to talk to you about it. |
Originally Posted by TurnNBurn
(Post 15843806)
Well, based on that answer then, I wouldn’t keep EITHER motor, because if a stator is not supposed to have that much variance, the company that made those motors has a serious quality control issue if one had a lot less IR than the other - assuming they are two of the same motor - but then, we didn’t get that info, did we?
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Originally Posted by TurnNBurn
(Post 15843806)
Well, based on that answer then, I wouldn’t keep EITHER motor, because if a stator is not supposed to have that much variance, the company that made those motors has a serious quality control issue if one had a lot less IR than the other - assuming they are two of the same motor - but then, we didn’t get that info, did we?
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All things being equal, keep the motor pulling less amps at the same kVA / motor that needs the least timing to get the kVA.
even if the rotors are, say, 1500 vs 1550 (a common spread on some motors) you won’t see 50% more amp draw at “zero” load. It will unlikely be 50% less current (actually, can almost guarantee it) but it’s a definite sign of efficiency difference which will result in lower battery drain. the motor pulling 2A, set it to 3A and tell us all what the timing and kVA is. in essence you will get a guide of efficiency then, how much extra RPM you will get for the same current draw. |
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