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b.wihardja 09-21-2020 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 15571660)
. And if you want to have a next better step then a capacitor bank of tantalum capacitors is the best choice but expensive.

doesn't tantalum have much higher esr?

Roelof 09-22-2020 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by b.wihardja (Post 15692538)
doesn't tantalum have much higher esr?

So far I know a lower ESR compared with normal polarized capacitors. But from what I can remember from school is that they have a faster response.


Conrad 12-15-2020 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 15574781)
I did a small test (not yet on a car) and made a capacitor bank from ceramic capacitors. The bank contains 9x 100uF-16v ceramic capacitors, these are not polarity sensitive. Why 9? Looks close to 2x 470uF normally used.

At work we have a capacity with ESR meter and the capacity is 870uF and the ESR is 27mOhm ! I looked in the specs of a normal 470uF capacitor which is used on the Euro spec Fleta ESC, the normal has an ESR of 220mOhm and a low ESR has 170mOhm (not measured but based on some specs I found).

Roelof, do you have a part or model number for the capacitors you used?

Roelof 12-15-2020 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Conrad (Post 15727541)
Roelof, do you have a part or model number for the capacitors you used?


These: https://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-1206...Cclp%3A2334524

Juglenaut 12-15-2020 01:15 PM

Low ultra low ESR capacitors are typically used in low noise amplifiers to increase efficiency, audiophiles, and other shaman devices. Used in Switching power supplies output stage with relatively high frequencies in the kHz-MHz range. Low ESR capacitors are not really needed at the mains filtering.

Equivalent series resistance, due note I2R heating and may actually cause more DC ripple or feedback.

What kind of frequency is being seen here as ‘lossless‘ low esr capacitors are not a dime a dozen, putting a low esr Capacitor on a rectifier that is not running at high frequency would be pointless as most half, full, or doubling rectifiers run at mains frequency.

You should use a low ESR capacitor when the expected I^2 R heat loss (ripple current, squared, times the ESR), is too much heat for a standard esr component.

Juglenaut 12-15-2020 01:23 PM

I have been working on a capacitor setup that uses a small heatsink as I think it is important it seems that they get hotter the more people are out causing interference.

gigaplex 12-15-2020 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Juglenaut (Post 15727593)
Low ultra low ESR capacitors are typically used in low noise amplifiers to increase efficiency, audiophiles, and other shaman devices. Used in Switching power supplies output stage with relatively high frequencies in the kHz-MHz range. Low ESR capacitors are not really needed at the mains filtering.

Equivalent series resistance, due note I2R heating and may actually cause more DC ripple or feedback.

What kind of frequency is being seen here as ‘lossless‘ low esr capacitors are not a dime a dozen, putting a low esr Capacitor on a rectifier that is not running at high frequency would be pointless as most half, full, or doubling rectifiers run at mains frequency.

You should use a low ESR capacitor when the expected I^2 R heat loss (ripple current, squared, times the ESR), is too much heat for a standard esr component.

I'd expect ripple to correlate with motor RPM as the rotor switches between the 3 phases, and also the switching frequency of the ESC as it performs PWM speed control. So, easily in the kHz range.

Roelof 12-15-2020 03:41 PM

Yes, each phase is PWM controled and can go up to 40khz to get a decent PWM signal that does a voltage control. Remember thjat 60.000 rpm (+/- 5.5 to 6.5 turn motor) has a rotation frequency of 1khz..

Conrad 12-22-2020 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 15727567)

Thank you Sir ;)


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