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Old 10-01-2018, 01:04 PM
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The mod motors are cheaper than the spec class for some reason. In New Zealand it will be about $140 for the Surpass vs $170 for a Orca, Muchmore etc, so is it worth it when its only $30 cheaper?
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not unless you can find replacement parts for it, do they sell rotors, stators and sensor boards separately?

if not, are there compatible rebrands which do sell these parts separately???

I have bought older versions of the Rocket brand motors in the past, but only in the $30-$40 price range making them disposable motors, all have stood the test of time in the 5.5T to 7.5T range of those that I have bought, but with mod motors you don't typically have to worry about temps like you do with stock motors when you are pushing the limits of the motor to be competitive
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not unless you can find replacement parts for it, do they sell rotors, stators and sensor boards separately?

if not, are there compatible rebrands which do sell these parts separately???

I have bought older versions of the Rocket brand motors in the past, but only in the $30-$40 price range making them disposable motors, all have stood the test of time in the 5.5T to 7.5T range of those that I have bought, but with mod motors you don't typically have to worry about temps like you do with stock motors when you are pushing the limits of the motor to be competitive
Even if there were alternate brands that were compatible, it wouldn't be legal for sanctioned racing if you install alternate branded components.
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Their spec motors are already kicking ass on the UK touring car scene having only been out for about 2 weeks, it just won the big carpet warmup event, the EWS Winter Warm Up in 13.5 blinky which is the biggest class in touring cars at present in the UK. Some guys ran them at my local track this past weekend and set new PB's on a cold dry track, they were up against some other newly released motors as well.
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Originally Posted by gigaplex View Post
Even if there were alternate brands that were compatible, it wouldn't be legal for sanctioned racing if you install alternate branded components.
One could argue they are the same brand if they come from the same OEM
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Got a chance to check the motor out today. No actual driving, but initial impressions are that the "feel" as far as turning the rotor over really was torquey. In comparison to the other motors I have here like the Motiv MC2, Trinity Monster Max, Maclan V2 with high torque rotor, Tekin Gen 3 Spec R, to name a few, it was probably the hardest to turn over.

Running it on my SkyRC Analyzer it came set about 34 degrees of timing with variation of 33-34-34 from what I recall and drew about 2.8 amps. I played a bit with this using the methods discussed to look for high ramping of amp versus the RPM you see, I settled on about 44 degrees of timing from what I recall, with about a 3.5 amp reading. I am going to give this a try when I get a chance and see how it feels, but the motor does feel pretty good quality wise, like how my Maclans V2s felt.
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Originally Posted by billdelong View Post
One could argue they are the same brand if they come from the same OEM
Not if they don't have the correct approved part numbers stamped on them.
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http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/...lessmotors.php

Looks like only V2 motors are currently approved, tons of rotor options are listed in there, which are stated as non version specific.
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Originally Posted by Bar View Post
Their spec motors are already kicking ass on the UK touring car scene having only been out for about 2 weeks, it just won the big carpet warmup event, the EWS Winter Warm Up in 13.5 blinky which is the biggest class in touring cars at present in the UK. Some guys ran them at my local track this past weekend and set new PB's on a cold dry track, they were up against some other newly released motors as well.
what timing setting did you end up with?

I ran the motor in 2wd buggy 17.5 blinky class during some practice sessions. It was a very quick motor, great punch off the line. I plan to drop the timing slightly to get the temps in a better range since I felt it ran a bit warm but this was with a body with no vent holes and no fan blowing on it.
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Hy!
I'd like to purchase one of theese motors for my 2WD buggy.
I was looking the GEN3 motors especially.
My question is:
Does is worth to give this motor a try, or they are garbage?
What kind of ESC is it compatible?
I would like to use it with a HobbyWing XR10 Justock ESC.
I had a compability problem earlier with a XR8 SCT PRO ESC, and a Skyrc motor.
I can only use them in sensorless mode.
I would like to avoid the same situation.
Thans for any help!
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Originally Posted by RC_Gamer View Post
Hy!
I'd like to purchase one of theese motors for my 2WD buggy.
I was looking the GEN3 motors especially.
My question is:
Does is worth to give this motor a try, or they are garbage?
What kind of ESC is it compatible?
I would like to use it with a HobbyWing XR10 Justock ESC.
I had a compability problem earlier with a XR8 SCT PRO ESC, and a Skyrc motor.
I can only use them in sensorless mode.
I would like to avoid the same situation.
Thans for any help!
All I can comment on is the V4S series but it has worked fine with my XR10 Pro esc, don't see why it would act different on an XR10 Juststock. I would probably go with the latest version, cost wise not that much different.

From running the motor again at another practice session I left the timing the same but went with a larger spur (78T versus 72T) on my YZ2 and got the temps to a more reasonable range with no fan and had tons of torque.Also got the motor more forward on the chassis.

Very nice motor. the Mod version of this, 8.5T in my YZ4SF has been excellent on the track too. versy consistent and runs cool (I run a fan on this).

I'll be testing out the 13.5T variant in a stadium truck soon. Going to use the stock timiing since we can use boost in the class. Any timing changes will do via the ESC as needed.
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Thanks for the input!
Finally I purchased a V4S motor, the 10.5 turn one. I found a good deal on e-bay for 64 dollars.
I also bought a Hobbywing Quickrun 120A ESC to have some moore adjustability with timing.
I can'4 wait to put this combo in my serpent spyder SRX2 HT Team 2WD buggy.
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Originally Posted by RC_Gamer View Post
Thanks for the input!
Finally I purchased a V4S motor, the 10.5 turn one. I found a good deal on e-bay for 64 dollars.
I also bought a Hobbywing Quickrun 120A ESC to have some moore adjustability with timing.
I can'4 wait to put this combo in my serpent spyder SRX2 HT Team 2WD buggy.
should be a nice combo. Looking forward to hearing how you like it.
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I am looking to try and get a feel of the demand for these motors. I have been in contact with Surpass and I am looking at importing a large order, along with the parts to service the units out there.
FYI: the motors v4s are with ROAR now getting tested.

Just looking for any feedback you have , you think it is good or bad . feel free to reply or pm me. I also thru up a quick site SurpassRacing.com you can contact me there too.
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FYI: the motors v4s are with ROAR now getting tested.
The 17.5T is the only one submitted, at the moment.
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