Sanwa M17- New TOTL Pistol
#424
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I just noticed the entry level ones listed and appears that the biggest difference is being coreless vs brushless. Depending on which SRG you currently have they might have faster transit than the PGS and honestly you might be faster to keep them and run SSR mode vs a slower transit servo on SUR. The only reason why I say this is because with my M12s I have previously tested faster transit servos on SHR mode (.05-.06)against slower transit servos on SSR mode (.08-.09)and ultimately my lap times are faster every time with faster transit servos even if the transit difference is only at .02-.03 Everyone is different and has different needs and has different driving styles though
#426
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SRG-HV transit at .08 on 7.4 and the PGS-CL is the same speed but also low profile and the HV isn’t. The PGS-CX is the more affordable full size but is .03 slower transit than your SRG-HV at .11 on 7.4, so as long as you know that you will have to switch to a low profile servo to keep the same transit specs as your existing SRG-HV I say go for it and report back to us how SUR feels...
Last edited by brian mills; 09-14-2018 at 01:59 AM.
#428
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I just edited my previous post but if you are ok to switch from your full size to a low profile to keep the same transit go for it and experience SUR with the PGS-CL otherwise to go to the CX which has slower transit you will not get an accurate comparison and maybe even sacrifice performance.
#430
I just noticed the entry level ones listed and appears that the biggest difference is being coreless vs brushless. Depending on which SRG you currently have they might have faster transit than the PGS and honestly you might be faster to keep them and run SSR mode vs a slower transit servo on SUR. The only reason why I say this is because with my M12s I have previously tested faster transit servos on SHR mode (.05-.06)against slower transit servos on SSR mode (.08-.09)and ultimately my lap times are faster every time with faster transit servos even if the transit difference is only at .02-.03 Everyone is different and has different needs and has different driving styles though
#431
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No you will still see a difference but if you go from a fast servo to something slower transit you might not see much benefits. Resolution is basically how fast it reacts to your input and corrections especially smaller ones and transit is how fast it can go from point A to point B but they also go hand in hand. In my opinion it isn’t worth going to a slower transit servo to use SUR vs SSR. I have tested this from SHR to SSR and definitely some differences were noticed but my lap times were faster on SHR with a faster transit servo than on SSR with slightly slower transit. I have a video in my phone on Skype from my servo manufacturer that is really cool and wish that I could download on here or anywhere...it shows 2 of the same servos with large pointers wired up to a machine and one is getting SSR response and one is getting SHR response at the same time and really explains the difference in resolution in a format that is visual. Basically the faster the resolution the faster it picks up input in the same time frame.
#432
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Anyone that would like to see a video of what I mean I have one that I can upload on Facebook messenger or text. Feel free to contact me either on messenger or my business cell number at 717-350-0046. It shows an example of transit with a .06 servo in a car and then shows the current fastest resolution in the industry with that same servo that will blow your mind and will also greatly help to see the differences between the two
#433
That would be awsome if you could upload it here so we can see the difference between SSR and SHR.
#434
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That first video that I was talking about is in my Skype on my phone and don’t think that it can be downloaded anywhere. The second one that basically shows the difference between transit and resolution I tried to upload on here this morning but it won’t let me for some reason. Anyone that would like to see it feel free to get a hold of me via how I mentioned earlier.
#435
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In my opinion the biggest reason why we are discussing this fine product topic (M17) or anything else in this thread such as the response modes or servo options comes down to one priority and that is lap times. We are all hardcore racers to be involved in this thread and waiting on what I personally feel as the best radio in the industry to be in our hands and become a tool to help us with our racing goals. I have a true passion for this sport and will do anything to help anyone involved if they choose to purchase products from my soon launching company or not. Not long ago I have become very fortunate to be able to do something that I have wanted since my teens and basically soon go pro with rc racing. I could have no worries right now and be practicing every day and already going to all of the races across the country but I have decided invest in the sport that I love and start my own company first and along the way. Through hundreds of hours of research I literally have access to everything in the industry and have the best information at my disposal and I don’t mind sharing things that I have found. Back on topic,before I knew that I would be doing a line of servos through my company I purchased a bunch of Sanwa servos for my personal use. I chose to bypass the PGS line and go with SRG,specifically ones that were discontinued and hard to find(SRG BLS and LS for low profile and SRG BS for full size) I picked these over the PGS and other SRG for one reason and that was the slightly faster transit that they offered. Shortly after this I had made ties with 3 different servo manufacturers and started sampling products that they offered. The initial sample products were only compatible up to Sanwa SHR. I have used SSR mode since it’s inception with the M11x. I have a personal offroad practice/test track that the dirt is highly groomed and bonded together and I keep very highly maintained. I can keep the conditions extremely consistent. During my testing back to back with the samples on SHR vs my fastest transit Sanwa servos on SSR my lap times were on average .2-.3 a lap faster with the samples due to them having even faster transit than my Sanwa’s. This is how I have learned that at least for myself that the fastest transit that I can find for my personal advantage is the best. Since Sanwa SSR was a personal requirement for myself and to me the fastest transit is highly important I highly negotiated with the servo manufacturer that I chose to produce something extremely fast and be SSR compatible. I have recently been running production samples in all of my vehicles with great success. I am not trying to turn this into a starting my own company thread,this post is to give a little personal background and my insight on the subject to help my fellow racers make wise decisions to go with their soon to be future great radio. I am as anxious as anyone on here to get my hands on the M17 and I definitely hope and believe that all of the bugs will be worked out before they arrive. I am currently extremely happy with my M12s on SSR and cant imagine anything better but we all know that it is coming! I am getting one right away mainly for “other” product testing on SUR and honestly hope that all of the issues are resolved because honestly I don’t want to purchase a second one in the future for personal use I hope to be able to use the original one that I get for a long time.