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AZJP 02-22-2018 08:46 AM

Battery Balancing issues
 
Have a fairly new protek 4900 shorty 2s, on my icharger the battery takes 30 minutes to discharge balance and 30 minutes to charge balance. IR less than 2 on both cells, but one cell takes a very long time to balance. One cell we be at 3.4v quickly and 4.2v on the charge, the other cell will still be at 3.6 and 4.0 respectively.

Any ideas or tricks to kick this pack back into shape? Battery has no puffing.

EbbTide 02-22-2018 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by AZJP (Post 15165188)
Have a fairly new protek 4900 shorty 2s, on my icharger the battery takes 30 minutes to discharge balance and 30 minutes to charge balance. IR less than 2 on both cells, but one cell takes a very long time to get balance. One cell we be at 3.4v quickly and 4.2v on the charge, the other cell will still be at 3.6 and 4.0 respectively.

Any ideas or tricks to kick this pack back into shape? Battery has no puffing.

I think that means one of the cells is a little funky if it only happens with the Protek shorty. If they keep discharging to uneven voltages I would contact Protek/Amain and see if they can help you out. I've seen certain packs over time take a while to balance though they usually always discharge at an even rate.

Adamska27 02-22-2018 08:58 AM

I'm pretty sure there is a "quick balance" mode on the iCharger, try that maybe

What are you charging/discharging at?

AZJP 02-22-2018 09:06 AM

30 discharge 40 charge.

the rc guy 02-22-2018 09:20 AM

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i lost faith in protek a few years back went thru same issue with my charger that i could adjust balance charge to 5 amps. Schulze 1450. you could make a single cell plug to do a direct charge as 1 cell to each cell but that will still take longer might do it in under 20 minutes..use a servo extension and your main plug ..

Robbob 02-22-2018 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by AZJP (Post 15165210)
30 discharge 40 charge.

Try charging at a lower amperage and see if that is any better. BTW how big is your power supply?

If youre trying to get the heat in the pack before each run you could try discharging then charging right away so it just finishes before you tech. I had one cell in my protek pack that was doing the same and coming up lot higher on IR's compared to the other in the pack. I put it through 3 cycle runs in the same night at home and brought it back to normal, been good ever since but I only charge at 16amps.

Troubles Dad 02-22-2018 11:07 AM

So what am I missing here, the OP said he charges at 30 amps and discharges at 30 amps, then says charging at 40, now I only charge at 10 amps and takes roughly 18 minutes to charge my battery, not that I have timed it, but I have it fully charged just before hitting the track, now logic tells me if I was charging at a higher rate, the battery should be done sooner, as I can even charge a 4s in 22 minutes at 10 amps (balance charge - fast balance) so what am I missing?
My charger is a icharger 308 & 406 and I start charging my batteries 3 heats before I am up.

AZJP 02-22-2018 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Troubles Dad (Post 15165349)
So what am I missing here, the OP said he charges at 30 amps and discharges at 30 amps, then says charging at 40, now I only charge at 10 amps and takes roughly 18 minutes to charge my battery, not that I have timed it, but I have it fully charged just before hitting the track, now logic tells me if I was charging at a higher rate, the battery should be done sooner, as I can even charge a 4s in 22 minutes at 10 amps (balance charge - fast balance) so what am I missing?
My charger is a icharger 308 & 406 and I start charging my batteries 3 heats before I am up.

Only said I charge at 40 amps, not sure what you misread. The battery is taking an exceptionally long time to balance, because one cell is lagging behind in the balance process. Your charger may not provide you this type of info.

Regarding time, my other batteries charge in less than 10 minutes at 40 amps, and that’s from a completely drained state after discharging at 30 amps. If I charge a partially charged battery without discharging, it’s 5 mins or less.

Troubles Dad 02-22-2018 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by AZJP (Post 15165358)
Only said I charge at 40 amps, not sure what you misread. The battery is taking an exceptionally long time to balance, because one cell is lagging behind in the balance process. Your charger may not provide you this type of info.

Regarding time, my other batteries charge in less than 10 minutes at 40 amps, and that’s from a completely drained state after discharging at 30 amps. If I charge a partially charged battery without discharging, it’s 5 mins or less.

So then it's the battery itself taking forever, compared to your other packs, as I was heading down the road on your charger being the biggest problem, but if your pushing the high amp charge rates, what do you expect from the battery as if it was mine it would be gone, I don't want the fire screwing with a temperamental battery pack

the rc guy 02-22-2018 05:43 PM

so ur charging a 8.18 c LOL enjoy the fire..a 40 amp charge

Antimullet 02-22-2018 05:55 PM

Just contact customer service they’ll take care of it.

AZJP 02-22-2018 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by the rc guy (Post 15165708)
so ur charging a 8.18 c LOL enjoy the fire..a 40 amp charge

Keep your ignorance to yourself. Thanks.

Darkgenerals 02-22-2018 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Adamska27 (Post 15165202)
I'm pretty sure there is a "quick balance" mode on the iCharger, try that maybe

What are you charging/discharging at?

Please dont do this, if one cell is at 4.2 and one is at 4.0 it will continune to charge normally. When one cell is out of range always charge with balance and accept that is how this battery is.

Darkgenerals 02-22-2018 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by AZJP (Post 15165358)
Only said I charge at 40 amps, not sure what you misread. The battery is taking an exceptionally long time to balance, because one cell is lagging behind in the balance process. Your charger may not provide you this type of info.

Regarding time, my other batteries charge in less than 10 minutes at 40 amps, and that’s from a completely drained state after discharging at 30 amps. If I charge a partially charged battery without discharging, it’s 5 mins or less.

Bro, you have balls of steel.

Charging at 40 amps, I aspire to levels of greatness such as this. I'm also not being sarcastic.

You may want to tone it down a little bit with this pack and maybe do 20 amps?

AZJP 02-22-2018 06:56 PM

Hundreds if not thousands of people who run at the top level at their respective tracks in 17.5 and 13.5 charge and discharge at these astronomical levels. I agree, it sounds insane and dangerous, but 30+ guys at my track alone do this every race day and have been for many years without issue. A level of care and attention to the condition of the battery as well as a charger capable of monitoring and charging at these rates is necessary. I wasn’t a believer until I stepped up from 20 amps to 40 and started discharging. They also discharge at 40 but I’ve found 30 still gets the IR’s down for a punch that doesn’t fade for an entire race.


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