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Old 10-20-2010, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rtypec
So umm yeah... what are you guys planning on running in FF03 during practice until the new systems and motors are available to the general public? I purchased a new...ahem..."spec" speedo a couple of days before the rules were introduced (woops!) and plan to use it until I can find a Tamiya one. As for motors, which turn should I be looking into that would approximate the 18T (well, besides the 18T duh) For playing around what are you guys going to run? 17.5? 21.5? 3.5? :
I'm going to run 21.5/zero until I can get my hands on the 18T system.
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:26 PM
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3.5 sounds about right, boosted?

I don't wanna (can't) buy new stuff, 2 year shelf life or not, especially if it's worthless elsewhere.

Gonna run the 21.5 that most of us are already running.
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Originally Posted by rtypec
So umm yeah... what are you guys planning on running in FF03 during practice until the new systems and motors are available to the general public? I purchased a new...ahem..."spec" speedo a couple of days before the rules were introduced (woops!) and plan to use it until I can find a Tamiya one. As for motors, which turn should I be looking into that would approximate the 18T (well, besides the 18T duh) For playing around what are you guys going to run? 17.5? 21.5? 3.5? :
According to Tamiya's specs the 18t looks to be nearly equivalent to a Novak 17.5
Tamiya's 18t - 2270 kv
Novak's 17.5 (ballistic or sspro) - 2200 kv

Tamiya's 16t, 14t, and 12t are between the Novak 13.5 (3300 kv) and 17.5 (2200 kv)
Tamiya's 16t - 2400 kv
Tamiya's 14t - 2700 kv
Tamiya's 12t - 3050 kv

Interesting choice of motors
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Old 10-20-2010, 08:21 PM
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Went to the Tamiya site and guess the "official" system isn't available yet. There was another !8T motor and esc, but the part #'s did not match. Retail was $256 guessing street price $150-170. The impression I got was that this was sport, intro to BL type of combo. Wonder what the "real" combo is going to run.

Looks like the old silvercan for me. That way there will be other places to race. Just knew that this BL stuff was going to turn around and bite us in the rear.
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Originally Posted by rtypec
So umm yeah... what are you guys planning on running in FF03 during practice until the new systems and motors are available to the general public? I purchased a new...ahem..."spec" speedo a couple of days before the rules were introduced (woops!) and plan to use it until I can find a Tamiya one. As for motors, which turn should I be looking into that would approximate the 18T (well, besides the 18T duh) For playing around what are you guys going to run? 17.5? 21.5? 3.5? :
Hey Rod, I'm putting in my cirtix/17.5 on the ff03, hopefully that will be close to the new system. Not sure if I can come to Tamiya this sat though since I'm turning a year older this weekend and might spend it with family. Free race at Speedtech this Sunday, might do that for one lastl ff03/silver can whipping.
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Originally Posted by f1larry
According to Tamiya's specs the 18t looks to be nearly equivalent to a Novak 17.5
Tamiya's 18t - 2270 kv
Novak's 17.5 (ballistic or sspro) - 2200 kv



Interesting choice of motors
I had the honor of running a few laps of Fred's TA05 with the 'old' Tamiya brushless setup installed when he was testing at one point a few months back.. Felt very good.. As far as power IMO i thought it was like a stout non-boosted 17.5 (just with a lil more torque, could have been his gearing.. idk). but not SuperSonic boost speed..


i would think regular 17.5 would be a good 'preparation' tool...
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Originally Posted by F N CUDA
3.5 sounds about right, boosted?

I don't wanna (can't) buy new stuff, 2 year shelf life or not, especially if it's worthless elsewhere.

Gonna run the 21.5 that most of us are already running.
Just remember...It's only good for two years IF Tamiya DOES NOT discontinue it
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WOW !!
Spec tires for Mini. Item 1016 Pre-Mounted 60D Super Grip tires (set of 4). Wonder when these will be available and for how much?
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WOW !!
Spec tires for Mini. Item 1016 Pre-Mounted 60D Super Grip tires (set of 4). Wonder when these will be available and for how much?
they should be... they were the spec tires from last Nationals already.
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Old 10-21-2010, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rtypec
So umm yeah... what are you guys planning on running in FF03 during practice until the new systems and motors are available to the general public? I purchased a new...ahem..."spec" speedo a couple of days before the rules were introduced (woops!) and plan to use it until I can find a Tamiya one. As for motors, which turn should I be looking into that would approximate the 18T (well, besides the 18T duh) For playing around what are you guys going to run? 17.5? 21.5? 3.5? :
Hey R, after driving Fred's car last Saturday and admiring the smoothness of the throttle response, I pulled out some old gear and slapped an old SPX and a 21.5 on the FF. I'm going to start it at 4.0 gearing and set the ESC's throttle profile at setting 4, not that aggressive. I will start with that and see how we go. I don't think using profiles 7 or 8 (the famous "unlimited rpm" profiles) will do us any good for testing. I figure that ought to run real close to what we can get out of most silver-cans. Unless they're Mark Hinckley's or Granpa's.
If you're there Sat. and want to try it, I'll happily loan it if I haven't blown up the motor after the first run.
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Holy crap!

I'm gonna be stuck running silver can classes at Tamiya's races!

Don't think I can kick for a new system just to be able to run my new ("totally stoked to have won it") FF03.

And after all this preaching I'm doing about how brushless is the way to go since we have results that show the success of using systems already in our possession.

I guess naming a mandatory system is the easiest way to even the playing field.
Just a shame that it's a unique bunch of motor sizes.

How about allowing other, lesser KV motors to run with the Tamiya KV motors?

If their 18 turn is faster than the 17.5, maybe for the sake of affordability, allow the 17.5 to also be an option.

Could there also be other popular non timing esc's allowed with Tamiya's KV motors as another cost effective option?

Some wishful thinking.
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Old 10-22-2010, 06:37 AM
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For myself, this is how I'm going to justify the purchase of a new system and it sorta works in my own little universe

I'm basically buying a locked spec speedcontrol with no timing boost. This is fine and good and can be used at other club races where there are no-boost classes like 21.5 or 17.5. The RCGT classes are becoming more appealing to me because of my renewed interest in seeing scale cars.

Then I'm buying a motor just for Tamiya races for whichever class I want to run...in my case 18T. Again, I can run other motors at club races, elsewhere.

So in the grand scheme of things, with a combo, I am getting a speedo that can be used mostly everywhere and a motor that should be used for the series. If the price point is reasonable, let's say $200 (not sure of real price) then that's $120 for a esc (that may be oem'ed by top-tier company) and $80 for a motor. And for me, that's an okay deal, not smoking-cirtix-combo-good, but still good enough to justify for the two years it will be in use.

As for an interim solution to going out and play. I have a Tekin and will hopefully get my motor situation sorted out (need to send several back to the mothership for service).

In any event, I hope the wet stuff stays away tomorrow so we can play.
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Originally Posted by rtypec
I'm basically buying a locked spec speedcontrol with no timing boost.
Do we know this for sure?
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Originally Posted by f1larry
According to Tamiya's specs the 18t looks to be nearly equivalent to a Novak 17.5
Tamiya's 18t - 2270 kv
Novak's 17.5 (ballistic or sspro) - 2200 kv

Tamiya's 16t, 14t, and 12t are between the Novak 13.5 (3300 kv) and 17.5 (2200 kv)
Tamiya's 16t - 2400 kv
Tamiya's 14t - 2700 kv
Tamiya's 12t - 3050 kv

Interesting choice of motors
The 18T 2270kv is the sensorless motor. The sensored 18T is 2100kv. Pretty minor but at least that makes a little more sense to me.
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Old 10-22-2010, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by reenmachine
Do we know this for sure?
Not really
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