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Old 10-01-2010, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by F N CUDA
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I could run the Civic body wingless at Tamiya but at Cal Raceway it was a no go.
Don and Lee rechecked and reset the chassis and it was still a no go.
With a temporary wing the Civic was able to get around well.

Put a Porsche body with wing on and it was money, raced the F'n race that way.

Picked up a Ford Focus rally body w/wing and gonna give that a go over there soon.
There were a couple no wing cars gettin around quickly that nite, Mike R's GTI, like yours, flew to a 4th place finish in a pretty stout line up.
Should the GTI vs Civic really make that much difference?

Have you run yours at Cal or ? with good results? Wingless of course.
I tried lots of stuff, even different tire compounds. Did not try the GTI body.
I bet you Kuda your civic would have run well, maybe it was something else before. Did you try running the body again on those day your FF03 was hook?
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I run the GTI body with no wing and the car feels great. I noticed in cuda's pic of his 21.5 that he was running a really stiff setup -- blue springs and front sway bar (the rear didn't show). Is this what you guys are all running? I am running a really soft setup -- no sways with yellow front and red rear springs, 400 oil all around. There's a fair bit of body roll, but lots of mechanical grip.
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Default Race Sedans (big wing bodies) vs realistic FWD bodies..

i know the GOLF and Civic bodies can be setup to be 'stuck'.. Just like the BIG Wingers can be setup to be 'stuck'..

But thats just like ALMS... Multiple classes on the track at the same time.. similar straightline speeds. But the LMPs always seem to squeak out a lil more 'speed'... in the corners.


not equal..
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Originally Posted by izzyracer
I bet you Kuda your civic would have run well, maybe it was something else before. Did you try running the body again on those day your FF03 was hook?
Izzydude, the car has exactly the same setup that was working at Tamiya.
I tried softer front and rear and firmer also.
The wing locked it in.
I did try the Civic again and same thing, wicked loose off power.

Originally Posted by reenmachine
I run the GTI body with no wing and the car feels great. I noticed in cuda's pic of his 21.5 that he was running a really stiff setup -- blue springs and front sway bar (the rear didn't show). Is this what you guys are all running? I am running a really soft setup -- no sways with yellow front and red rear springs, 400 oil all around. There's a fair bit of body roll, but lots of mechanical grip.
The stiffer setup works well for me.
When the car has the body roll on the sticky track it tends to "diff out" coming out of corners and also the roll seems to make it lose the rear end at high speed. As it rolls over the rear kinda unloads (no weight there anyway) and comes around off power.
Swaybay on the front feels like it locked the front end down and there's way less "diffin". Don't have to wait to get back on power.
Steering felt the same although going to the even stiffer white springs up front made it lose steering so I went back to the blue.

Originally Posted by OSherman
i know the GOLF and Civic bodies can be setup to be 'stuck'.. Just like the BIG Wingers can be setup to be 'stuck'..

But thats just like ALMS... Multiple classes on the track at the same time.. similar straightline speeds. But the LMPs always seem to squeak out a lil more 'speed'... in the corners.


not equal..
I did see unwinged cars lookin stuck, I never got mine even close with the Civic.
Had help from some serious talent too. (Thanks for tryin Don and Lee) Couldn't get it figured out at that time.
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Originally Posted by OSherman
But thats just like ALMS... Multiple classes on the track at the same time.. similar straightline speeds. But the LMPs always seem to squeak out a lil more 'speed'... in the corners.


not equal..
That's what we're going to do at the Big Fat Turkey Race. Run 2WD and 4WD Super GT together (SGT+) with identical rules but scored separately.

21.5/zero
Solaris spec premounts
FF bodies for FF cars strongly encouraged

It'll be cool to watch them run together, and interesting to see how 2WD vs. 4WD shakes out.
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Originally Posted by reenmachine
That's what we're going to do at the Big Fat Turkey Race. Run 2WD and 4WD Super GT together (SGT+) with identical rules but scored separately.

21.5/zero
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FF bodies for FF cars strongly encouraged

It'll be cool to watch them run together, and interesting to see how 2WD vs. 4WD shakes out.
should be very intereting.. and a real eye-opener.. wish i could be there to watch...
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Some people have been waiting for Aluminum Rocker Set, TRF Shocks and CVD parts (axles, universal joint parts, etc)
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Originally Posted by reenmachine
That's what we're going to do at the Big Fat Turkey Race. Run 2WD and 4WD Super GT together (SGT+) with identical rules but scored separately.

21.5/zero
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FF bodies for FF cars strongly encouraged

It'll be cool to watch them run together, and interesting to see how 2WD vs. 4WD shakes out.

I predict lots of shakin, any more details (link)?
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We already had a PorscheCup Race...

How about a HondaCup Race??


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Originally Posted by izzyracer
I predict lots of shakin, any more details (link)?
It's early, but there are 8 SGT+ entries so far: 4 FWD, 3 AWD, and 1 RWD!

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Originally Posted by OSherman
We already had a PorscheCup Race...

How about a HondaCup Race??


Looks like the current Civic Type R, that Jezza was complaining about on Top Gear last season. Ah, so what, the car looks awesome. I'd so be there for a Civic Cup, either new bodies or the old 1992 car. I'm picturing a JACCS new Civic in my mind already. That, and Diane Lane sprawled across the front of it. Ah.

Cuda, totally understand what you're saying. I'm a little surprised that a wing is making such a difference to the FF. I think this will start some serious debate in the Hot Stove League over whether next year's FF class should run a winged body or a hatchback.
At least we'll have something to argue about till Feb.
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It is odd that at Tamiya, wingless isn't too terrible but is still a handicap.

Wingless (Civic, for me) was impossible at Cal. No wing no go
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Hi Cuda, I've got a blue Calsonic Ferarri 430 for you to use this weekend. However, I can't find the wing for it (probably on another body) so if you can, try to source one out for tomorrow. Cheers!
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Thanks Rod, since my body mounts have been altered I'm gonna tough it out with the Civic body and mini wing combo and see how it goes since Tamiya is pretty forgiving on the wingless cars, sort of.
Don't want to butcher a body of yours cuz my posts are moved but thanks a bunch for the offer.
No way an HPI body is gonna fly under the radar huh?

Fred, don't look at this message ok?
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Originally Posted by F N CUDA
It is odd that at Tamiya, wingless isn't too terrible but is still a handicap.
nope, not odd at all.. Different Asphalt surfaces grip differently.. need a really neutral setup that works everywhere.. or unique 'tuned in' setups for each track.. Im sure the fast guys at CalRC have spent many hours driving there and tuning.. Just like the guys at Tamiya
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