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Old 06-17-2010, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by minimadman2003
So your setup gained you 5500 rpms???

Swifty, you really should try to get to Memphis next year. If you mastered the NorCal track, then the Memphis surface will be right up your alley!!!!
I meant the motor tested around 16,900 17,100 at 7.2 volts. The biggest part of why my car worked so well was that it weighed 1364 grams instead of the 1250 limit. Memphis ??? That sounds like a good idea!! Will they have an RPM limit? What was it this year.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:49 AM
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Memphis is a no RPM limit race. The surface has a few bumps but overall it is a very nice parking lot track with great traction.
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I meant the motor tested around 16,900 17,100 at 7.2 volts. The biggest part of why my car worked so well was that it weighed 1364 grams instead of the 1250 limit. Memphis ??? That sounds like a good idea!! Will they have an RPM limit? What was it this year.
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Originally Posted by 414MPH
I birdie told me there will be a Trackside Parking Lot TCS next year...

Hopefully it will be a bit later in the year or we will have to have the Drift Classic, snow drift that is...
Snow rally with TA05's on B3's ? Now that just might get me out there. Can we run the F1's first so the front wings will act like snow plows to clear the track.

Look forward to seeing you again at the Nats in a few months.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:39 AM
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A letter to our TCS racers,

I wanted to take some time to address some of the questions and concerns that have come up since we’ve posted the 2010 TCS Finals rules. I don’t post on an everyday basis as time does not permit, but I do read the boards for various reasons.

I want to make sure everyone involved with the TCS Series, new and veteran, are aware of a few things.
First, the decisions made are made in the best interest of the “company” and the best interest of the “participant”. There’s a balancing act that must be weighed to balance booth of these interests. The company is in the business of providing fun hobby products to the market, so it may stay in business. The interest of the participant is merely to have fun and we strive to bring you that fun in the most fair and economical way possible.
Second, the rules for the classes at the finals have mostly remained unchanged from regional races, but there are minor tweaks here and there to address issues from the races leading up to the finals. This has been the case since the inception of TCS.
Lastly, we do not make decisions that can’t be amended due to feedback. We are not Face Book, AT&T or Apple Inc.
With that said I have heard some of the feedback. Some of the feedback comes from the usual suspects that always have their two cents. However, one individual voiced their concerns that usually never do so. That tends to be more credible than the ones that constantly have something to say or like to say things just to stir the pot.

Here are a few facts as to why certain decisions were made.

Issue: Controlled tires

1. Control pre-mount tires. The TCS series is probably one of the last series that hasn’t gone to a control tire. Based on feedback from last year we decided to do so this year. Our intention was for the benefit of the racer. It was done for fairness and to control costs for that racer. We also believed 3 months advance notice was plenty of notice. However, there appears to be many of you that have already pre-purchased your tires long ago. Even with tire quantity limits, this would force our customers to buy more tires. Taking the economy into consideration and the overall goal to keep the TCS series cost effective, we’ve elected to make the following change: GT-1, GT-2, GT-3 and GT-4 (FF-03) will not have this control tire for Finals. Instead, the regional rules on tires will apply for nationals. There is one final problem regarding tires, but that will be addressed later once more facts are collected. (Be warned: We are going to a control tire for 2011. This includes Regional’s)
2. Mini will stick with the control tire since one complete set of the S-Grips will get you through the finals. This also puts everyone in Mini on the same playing field and that is our goal with Mini.

Issue: Speed control boost

1. The decision to NOT have a controlled speed control at this time was strictly due to rules consistency. The rules were set at the beginning of the season. A speed control purchase is a decent investment. We didn’t want to punish those who did their homework early. While this was not the best for the speed of the classes or series, it kept things consistent. Also, the Tamiya speed control and motor combo was seriously looked at for finals. However, there is an issue regarding radio transmitter compatibility with our system. I’m sure most of you don’t want to buy a radio just for the finals. The system works on a lot of radios, but not all. (The 2011 season will see the introduction of a one brand motor and speed control solution for the brushless classes) The boost issue and the speeds attainable with this technology have forced this action to the TCS series.

Issue: Spec Battery

1. The introduction of the Spec Lipo battery was implemented 2 years ago. It has worked out well. It has provided a level playing field at an affordable price. However, we are no longer able to supply you the same battery. The battery itself has slightly changed and we can’t bring it to you at the same price as last year. In the interest of cost and some other factors, we are making the following change: If you have an Orion 3400 Lipo battery from the last two years, you may still use it for all classes. At the same time, if you would like to use the new Peak battery, you may purchase them at the online registration process. Either battery is legal for Mini, GT-3 and GT-2. GT-1, F-1 and FF-03 may use any legal TCS battery including the Peak battery that may be purchased during registration.

Issue: GT-3 Sport Tuned motor

1. In the interest of cost and durability, the regional 540-J silver can motor is the motor we will revert to. Forget about the Sport tuned option.

Issue: FF-03 as a second class.

1. We appreciate the enthusiasm with the new FF-03. Therefore, if you want to run GT-4 (FF-03) as your one and only second class you may do so.

Issue: Trip winning classes

1. The trip winning classes have been in flux from time to time. The reason for this is simple. Tamiya Japan makes Tamiya World Championship class decisions mid way or later from the racing year. As some of you will remember, Mini was dropped due to lack of interest some years ago. It made a comeback and it has been back on our trip winning schedule for years now. F-1 has gone through the same flux and now we are seeing the same thing with other classes. Interest in classes always change and usually come and go. It is mostly due to product selection/variety and costs. Front drive has a huge potential to come back and Tamiya is working hard to promote it. F1 is back in a big way and it’s great to see new faces race the series with the F104.
2. In the past we used to have 4 trip winning classes, but due to class interest it has been knocked down to 3 for many years. We attempted to bring back a 4th for this year, but bringing back a 4th isn’t possible as we had hoped. We will have to wait till possibly next year to add a 4th winning class. With that said, we are only able to send 3 winners again this year. The fairest way to reward the 3 trip winning classes is to evaluate attendance. The top three best participated classes for 2010 are Mini, GT-3 and F-1. GT-2 and GT-1 have suffered in attendance. GT-1 is the fastest and most expensive class, while GT-2 has become too fast for those who normally race in it due to the speeds attainable with the “boost” issue. It is for the above reasons that Mini, GT-3 and F-1 will be the 3 classes that will earn a trip to the Tamiya world finals. With the revamping of GT-1 and GT-2 for 2011, we are hopeful attendance and interest will grow again and we will consider these two for a World’s trip winning class in 2011. In the case of F103, I don’t think I need to go into great detail here. The F104 is Tamiya’s newest flagship F-1 car and Tamiya will only be running the F104 at the World Finals.

We appreciate everyone’s comments. While rules for the series will not always make everyone 100% warm and fuzzy, we have made some changes in the best interest for cost control and fairness to the participants.

The rules on our site will change shortly to reflect these changes and amendments I have outlined here. I hope to see everyone attend the event and I’m eager to bring you the most fun Nationals to date. We are planning some new things this year and we are eager to announce that Speed Tech RC will be the 2010 on site hobby store. We look forward to have them support the Tamiya brand and you at the Finals.

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Old 06-17-2010, 12:08 PM
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...cant win for losing...

good luck to all the racers competing for the big ticket...

what can boost do for you?? kill my class..
hope we all learned something from this...

..end rant..

see you's at NATS.

anyone want to buy a BRAND NEW TEKIN RS i just bought to keep up with the competition in GT2 at NATS?? just installed last night... never ran..

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Old 06-17-2010, 12:10 PM
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Brushless F1 next year???
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:23 PM
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FMW:

Thanks for the updates and the post.
It seems many of us were hyperventilating over some of the changes to the rules. Thanks for helping us with the economics of it all and trying to keep some of the older tech relevant. Sure 10 years could be ridiculous but a couple years, it only helps us all.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OSherman
...cant win for losing...

good luck to all the racers competing for the big ticket...

what can boost do for you?? kill my class..
hope we all learned something from this...

..end rant..

see you's at NATS.

anyone want to buy a BRAND NEW TEKIN RS i just bought to keep up with the competition in GT2 at NATS?? just installed last night... never ran..
You are supposed to run it not sell it?

You cannot blame Tamiya for this, it is really something that should be regulated on a local level which could change to a Nationals level or visa versa.

What did I learn from it? That boost was coming, I like stock and my GTB would not cut it. Once learned my car setup, I have and still am learning to drive the silly thing.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by A-Ko
You are supposed to run it not sell it?

You cannot blame Tamiya for this, it is really something that should be regulated on a local level which could change to a Nationals level or visa versa.

What did I learn from it? That boost was coming, I like stock and my GTB would not cut it. Once learned my car setup, I have and still am learning to drive the silly thing.
I only bought it cause i know my non-boosted speedo wont cut it for the Big Ticket to Japan.. i learned the same thing you did.. DUH!! I never blamed Tamiya, I applaud them for addressing the issue..

But now since my class is not eligible for the BigTicket, its just for fun.. so why do i need boost? i liked my class just the way it was, non-boosted and fun..
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Hi guys,

I've made plans to participate in my first TCS event this July (#156) and have purchased and setup a TT-01 to race in the Spec/Novice class. I've read the post by FMW regarding the rule changes and have a question about the classes for the upcoming TCS event. FMW mentions a GT4 (FF03) class. Is this a new class being added with no impact to the current classes? Or, is this class replacing the Spec/Novice? I checked the Tamiya USA site and it still has the Spec/Novice class listed with no mention of a GT4.

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Originally Posted by FMW
A letter to our TCS racers,

Issue: Controlled tires

1. Taking the economy into consideration and the overall goal to keep the TCS series cost effective, we’ve elected to make the following change: GT-1, GT-2, GT-3 and GT-4 (FF-03) will not have this control tire for Finals. Instead, the regional rules on tires will apply for nationals.
Issue: Speed control boost

Issue: FF-03 as a second class.

1. We appreciate the enthusiasm with the new FF-03. Therefore, if you want to run GT-4 (FF-03) as your one and only second class you may do so.

FM
Thanks Fred and thanks Tamiya for listening and being flexible - looking forward to the 2010 Nationals and racing my FF03 (as my second class) in anger.
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If this whole online thing worked this smoothly all the time it would be damn near utopia
At the risk of being a kiss a$$, I applaud Fred for making the adjustments to the rules, even though I didn't see them as unreasonable in the first place.
Sounds like 2011 is going to be very interesting.
I was going to ask what will happen in regards to tires for the carpet races, but the one event I will go to isnt likely to be on carpet anymore
So I guess the race now will be to see who can "hoard" the most premounts
My biggest question is , if you are going to a spec premount tire, rim and insert, is there a new tire compound coming that differs from the current offerings?
Still dont know if I will be on the coast come the end of August, but I am hoping that is the case.
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Originally Posted by double_green
Hi guys,

I've made plans to participate in my first TCS event this July (#156) and have purchased and setup a TT-01 to race in the Spec/Novice class. I've read the post by FMW regarding the rule changes and have a question about the classes for the upcoming TCS event. FMW mentions a GT4 (FF03) class. Is this a new class being added with no impact to the current classes? Or, is this class replacing the Spec/Novice? I checked the Tamiya USA site and it still has the Spec/Novice class listed with no mention of a GT4.

Thanks in advance for the help.

-John
John,
GT4 is going to be more of an exhibition class at the nats. Speculation is that it will probably replace one of the GT classes down the road, but I wouldn't put my money on it being Spec/Novice
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Originally Posted by double_green
Hi guys,

I've made plans to participate in my first TCS event this July (#156) and have purchased and setup a TT-01 to race in the Spec/Novice class. I've read the post by FMW regarding the rule changes and have a question about the classes for the upcoming TCS event. FMW mentions a GT4 (FF03) class. Is this a new class being added with no impact to the current classes? Or, is this class replacing the Spec/Novice? I checked the Tamiya USA site and it still has the Spec/Novice class listed with no mention of a GT4.

Thanks in advance for the help.

-John
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i think Spec is safe. GT4 is just to promote the new car (FF03)

- Chris
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i think Spec is safe. GT4 is just to promote the new car (FF03)

- Chris
leave it to the boost-bandits and the TEKIN RS will be the new 'spec'.... well, thats what they told me when i voiced my opinion about it in GT2... we need to save this class now before it goes under.. lol


FMW.. anymore insite to GT4??
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