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Old 12-23-2009, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stitchy
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Merry Christmas everyone

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Originally Posted by Granpa
For my friends at the Tamiya track, my wife's surgery went well and she is recovering nicely. I hope to see you all soon with my updated M05 and am looking forward to doing battle in the weekly Mini Mayhems.

Merry Christmas and a Happy Holiday to all. It looks like mine will be very, very good this year.
Great news Grandpa. Sounds like it will be a Very Merry Christmas at your house this year.

Look forward to seeing you back out soon with the M05 and the IFS. Craig needs some serious GT-3 competition next year.
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Old 12-24-2009, 02:18 PM
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Look forward to seeing you back out soon with the M05 and the IFS. Craig needs some serious GT-3 competition next year. [/QUOTE]

You said it, brother. Craig's gonna need some of us nipping at his heels to keep him honest and in fighting trim, and maybe this year if he wins he can go to Nippon. And as for you, maybe 2010 will be your year for either GT2 or 3. Perhaps I can provide downfield blocking? Bob, am very glad your wife's surgery went well and am looking forward to chasing the bumper of both your Mini and your GT3 in practice. Just wait till you put some fresh tires on that thing.
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For only having 41 posts, you sure say some funny stuff Tom. See my signature. Thanks!
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Merry Christmas all!!!!!!
May your stockings be filled with Type A's and spoked rims by morning
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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
Merry Christmas all!!!!!!
May your stockings be filled with Type A's and spoked rims by morning
and TCS legal brushless motors.

Merry Christmas to all my TCS buddies. See some of you in 2 months at the Aliso Regional.
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Hello Fellow TCS Racers,
If anyone is looking for a Super Clean GT1 Car(TRF415ms).
Please let me know, I will be unable to race this year at Trackside.
Thank you
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dragracer72nova
Hello Fellow TCS Racers,
If anyone is looking for a Super Clean GT1 Car(TRF415ms).
Please let me know, I will be unable to race this year at Trackside.
Thank you
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COME ON DAVE..........you must be kidding? Remember the fun time we had last year?
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:08 AM
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Looks like a couple alterations to the 2010 rules for mini:

Motor RPM Limits will be imposed to match out of the box performance. RPM numbers TBD. (Doesn't look like just some tracks to have rpm limits now)??

All M-chassis cars must meet a minimum weight of 1250 grams.
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
Looks like a couple alterations to the 2010 rules for mini:

Motor RPM Limits will be imposed to match out of the box performance. RPM numbers TBD. (Doesn't look like just some tracks to have rpm limits now)??

All M-chassis cars must meet a minimum weight of 1250 grams.
The mini elves must not have put the right toys in Fred's stocking!

How about Rule #15? Does that eliminate zappers too?
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:10 AM
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I'm not sure...but if you zap a silver can and keep the rpm to around 11500...you might want to try your hand at knitting or something..
Originally Posted by minimadman2003
The mini elves must not have put the right toys in Fred's stocking!

How about Rule #15? Does that eliminate zappers too?
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
I'm not sure...but if you zap a silver can and keep the rpm to around 11500...you might want to try your hand at knitting or something..
Oh, so you've already heard about my short career as a motor tuner?
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:11 AM
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I find it interesting that here in the US we seem to have such a hard time coming up with a motor rule that participants believe will ensure a level playing field. Up in Canada they use a very effective (and easy to tech) limit of 1.3 amps at 2 volts, a rule that has been in place for years. Never heard anyone up there complain about motor inequality, and the people who win their Nats and come down to Aliso for the NA Finals are very competitive drivers.

The fact is that freewheel motor RPM at five volts is simply not the best or most practical determinant of overall performance. The equipment that measures it is statistically inconsistent from machine to machine, and becoming less common with the general move to brushless technology.

We can- and should- do better.

Imposing an arbitrary RPM limit on motors so as to mimic out-of-the-box performance is minimally effective and virtually impossible to manage (and simply teching the top 3 cars in a class is not effective management). Do you tech it hot or cold? What if my machine says 13.4K RPM and yours says 13.6? What if changing the optical pickup changes the RPM reading (believe me, this is more common than you might think)?

On the other hand, the 1.3 amp/2 volt rule is easy to tech, very consistent from machine to machine, can be read by many different kinds of chargers currently available on the market, and effectively weeds out the amazo powerhouse motors and genetic mutants. It...works.

Anybody from our brothers to the North who would care to comment?
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Originally Posted by rccardr
Once you get beyond the extremes (less than one amp, more than three at five volts), we fiind very little direct correlation between amp draw when a motor is freewheeling (unladen) and actual power.

As Jeff says, there are a LOT of variables that can cause higher amp draw, including that the motor has picked up a screw or staple from the track or is otherwise binding or inefficient. Lower often means that the motor brushes simply have not yet been fully broken in.
I think if you can get a halfway efficient motor, you can make plenty of rpm at 1.3 amps.

I prefer 13.5K. You can reasonably expect to get a decent motor to break in close to that.
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Old 01-01-2010, 11:59 AM
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I do not race mini, but here is my solution, spec a brushless system that is non programable, and a brushless motor that has truly fixed timing , mandate this combo for all mini competitors for a minimum of 3 years and be done with it. If possible the speedo/motor would be in the $100 range.
I know that the first issue that will be brought up is availability, I guess someone would have to work with a manufacturer to figure that one out.

Or split the class into 2 groups, stock and unlimited. stock would have a blind draw in tech at the races, mandatory bullet connectors for easy installation etc. .
Unlimited would be run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough!!!!
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