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Old 08-20-2009, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Slick
What, no thanks for me? (j/k) And did you get that e-mail I sent to you a few days back about setups and bodies?
Tom,

Please re-read my original post carefully...... you are allways fun to run with too.......
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
Awesome Doc...is Ray gonna be able to make it too?

I am hoping the info the locals have gained on the new surface won't be a huge handicap.
The track surface even though it's been slurried hasn't really changed that much at all. The slurry conformed to the original texture and grading of the old track, less the deep canyons on the track surface and crevases on the burms.
I myself have not made any changes at all on my sedan and mini, but the F1's seem to have lost some grip.
The only major factor would be track temp like previous years from morning to afternoon. Everybody who has ran here before in the summer knows the track conditions gets slippery in the afternoon and then later in the day when it cools down it's what us locals call happy hour when the traction comes way way up!
So, don't worry about the locals having an advantage on set-up because it's still the same ole same ole! It just looks a lot better!
Just my 2$
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:52 PM
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I'm trying Atleast I'm signed up. Is the blue anodized silver can orion motor in the picture legal?
Sure, R. Just use some chrome cleaner on the can to take off the anodizing and take off the decal. I bet Fred can get us some motor-can decals.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by maxepower
The track surface even though it's been slurried hasn't really changed that much at all. The slurry conformed to the original texture and grading of the old track, less the deep canyons on the track surface and crevases on the burms.
I myself have not made any changes at all on my sedan and mini, but the F1's seem to have lost some grip.
The only major factor would be track temp like previous years from morning to afternoon. Everybody who has ran here before in the summer knows the track conditions gets slippery in the afternoon and then later in the day when it cools down it's what us locals call happy hour when the traction comes way way up!
So, don't worry about the locals having an advantage on set-up because it's still the same ole same ole! It just looks a lot better!
Just my 2$
Concur with all "Mad" Max says except for one thing: he's being very modest. The track is smoother, not only because of the slurry filling in the texture cracks in the track but because also of all the work Max, Mark, Kevin, Jung and more did to fill in the big cracks before it was slurried. So all you good Right Coast runners and hot rods will be pleased to know that rubber-tire traction is reported to be improved, without throwing out all your old set-ups. I'm also told by the rubber-tire guys that tire wear is improved, raising the prospect of longer tire life and the ability to use tires longer--and saving money! I'm looking forward to seeing Doc and the Easterners (sounds like a rock band) come run and hook it up.
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
Awesome Doc...is Ray gonna be able to make it too?

I am hoping the info the locals have gained on the new surface won't be a huge handicap.
Handicap , we don't stink'in care about handicaps!!! Charlie, count me in !!!!

Might need a little help with some transportation on friday, I'll PM you with details.

Doc ,please adjust the game plan for travel accommodation's.
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Old 08-21-2009, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rccardr
John- As I said before, I like and respect you a lot. It's OK with me if we disagree about some stuff. But I'm not going to call you any names or make irrational allegations in the process.

Clearly, you have some strong feelings about how the rules should be written for the silver can classes. I suggest you take that emotion and speak with the folks at Tamiya to see if they want to change the rules. As the rules stand, however, there's nothing illegal or cheating about Red Dot motors at TCS events. Lord knows they've been teched enough times- all over the world- and have always- that's ALWAYS, John- been deemed legal. I'm fine with a rules change (RPM limit, brushless, whatever) if that's the way things go- like you, I think it's all about the good racing.

But I also feel that every racer should be able to take advantage of whatever legal performance is available. Better speed controls, superior batteries, upscale radios- it's not just a motor war, it's an everything war. That's why we call it racing, regardless of the class. The motor's simply part of the equation. Like you, I think it's all about the good racing.

Yes, I remember well the Nats of days gone past. Fine racing. I also remember you showing up at the Nats one year without any equipment because the airline lost your luggage. And I remember lending you virtually everything you needed to run that weekend- car, batteries, electronics, everything but a radio. Like you, I think it's all about the good racing.

But I also remember you and the NY guys -and, yes, Casey- handing everyone their butts on a platter at the Laurel TCS Regionals back in the day because your group (and admit it, your motors- we tested them then on my ancient Tekin dyno)was so much faster than everyone else. I remember Alpha/Omega Motors. And I remember getting no love or help at all from that group. But, like you, I think it's all about the good racing.

THAT'S why I started Red Dot Motors- so that EVERY racer would have access to the very best silver can performance. It's really that simple. Is that performance free? No. But now nobody can come to the track with more horsepower than anyone else as long as they're ready and willing to be competitive. Good battery, good tires, good radio- without those you're not going to be in the Show. I just don't think the motor is any different in that equation.

Take care.
Doc you definitely are a class act. I guess being relegated to the back made me a little crazy. It's not a place I'm used to when talking about m-chassis. As you said it's OK to disagree on some stuff. I guess if Tamiya doesn't rule against the motors I shouldn't have an issue with you. This doesn't mean I agree with them either. It just means I will have find speed on my own. As far a that trip to Ca. when all my stuff was lost I tried to put that out of my mind completely and I want you to know I'm greatful for what you did. As far as Jones and the Alpha/Omega crew I was not a beneficiary of any of their technology. Yes they were from the NY area but none of thier secrets were shared with me personaly. This will the last on this subject that you and all the forums will hear from me on this topic. Your last statment kind of makes my point. I'll quote you. " Frankly, I enjoy the blind draw/handout motor races. We even sponsor a class in Frederick all year- we provide the matched motors for FREE- and the racing is very, very, very close- within inches after 8 minute Mains. We'll probably do an additional class this year with Mini's- same format. Why do we spend all that money to promote classes that are fun and based on good driving? Because like you, John, we think it's all about the good racing."
This is good racing. Thanks for listening and maybe letting me vent. Good luck at the Nats to both you and Ray.
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Very cool....just let me know. We'll be there Thursday so transportation on Friday isn't a problem.
Originally Posted by Ray k
Handicap , we don't stink'in care about handicaps!!! Charlie, count me in !!!!

Might need a little help with some transportation on friday, I'll PM you with details.

Doc ,please adjust the game plan for travel accommodation's.
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:47 AM
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It's all good, John.

Wish you and some of your crew were coming out to the Nats next weekend, looks like it will be a lot of fun. Maybe you can make some last minute arrangements...???
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Old 08-21-2009, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BrowniesHobbies
Thanks for listening and maybe letting me vent. Good luck at the Nats to both you and Ray.
Thanks John,

We were going to come up and surprize you guys this saturday at your race. Shake some hands and play with some mini's(your rules). But with the last minute Nats. thing ,not going to make it!

We shall meet again , at the races!!!!!!
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Old 08-21-2009, 08:28 AM
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mini should be a grand time!
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Originally Posted by madjack
mini should be a grand time!
makes me wanna run it now.
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Old 08-21-2009, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Hebiki
makes me wanna run it now.
I have a spare M03!
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Old 08-21-2009, 09:03 AM
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The Best of the Best...meets in the West!
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Old 08-21-2009, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Hebiki
makes me wanna run it now.
I have all the parts to make a M05, and a new M03 to steal the rest of the parts from.
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Has any heard the breakdown of the number of racers signed up per class?
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