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Old 11-10-2008, 09:43 PM
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Finally you guys have touched on a subject where I am a seasoned veteran in and thats resurfacing. So let me tell you that the only reason why slurry seals are not good traction especially in parking lots is becuase of two reasons first being that they do not add silica sand to the slurry which is required for produving a texture with grip the second is that cars drive over top of it all day long stoping, turning, starting, turning and what you have is a polishing effect of the slurry seal thats why traction is an issue in parking lots where it has been resealed and then given a month or more of traffic. So to fix that problem since vehicles do not drive on the track you seal coat it twice the first coat is done by adding #16 mesh silica and put down with a squeege the second coat is then applied at a 90 degree angle from the first coat using a #20 silica added to the slurry. The cost for that would be under $750 if the labor was donated which I am sure it would be, except I need a few parts but other than that it can be done for near nothing. Next you have an acrylic resurfacer which has the silica sand already included in the material and looks great and performs better than the slurry seal for the exception of two things. First it requires two coats at 200 sq. ft. per gallon becuase the existing surface is not smooth but aggregated and at an estimated 4,000 sq. ft. of track the bill would be $ 2,000.00 give or take $ 500.00. Second is acrylics do not do well with solvents such as tire sauce, VHT, and other chemicals or long exposure to certain types of sugar products i.e. Coke syrup, Panckace Syrup so you can rule out Tennis court resurfacing materials. Also epoxy based prodects will not bond to a petroleum based product i.e. Asphalt. I will get a price on how much sand and slurry is needed for the track all i need is the dimensions. Hopefully Fred would turn a blind eye on a Sat & Sun if someone "Max" accidentally left the gate unlocked.

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Question about the formula 1 class...

Are we truing these tires or are they run out of the package?

With the tires out there and rims what are the all around good ones to stock up on?

In other words for outdoor parking lot racing what front/rear combos should I start with?

Another does anyone have a dummy guide for the differences in the allowed chassis? If one is hands down the one to start with...I'd rather know than get the wrong one/nice change from TC's.

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Originally Posted by SirSwiftAlot
Finally you guys have touched on a subject where I am a seasoned veteran in and thats resurfacing. So let me tell you that the only reason why slurry seals are not good traction especially in parking lots is becuase of two reasons first being that they do not add silica sand to the slurry which is required for produving a texture with grip the second is that cars drive over top of it all day long stoping, turning, starting, turning and what you have is a polishing effect of the slurry seal thats why traction is an issue in parking lots where it has been resealed and then given a month or more of traffic. So to fix that problem since vehicles do not drive on the track you seal coat it twice the first coat is done by adding #16 mesh silica and put down with a squeege the second coat is then applied at a 90 degree angle from the first coat using a #20 silica added to the slurry. The cost for that would be under $750 if the labor was donated which I am sure it would be, except I need a few parts but other than that it can be done for near nothing. Next you have an acrylic resurfacer which has the silica sand already included in the material and looks great and performs better than the slurry seal for the exception of two things. First it requires two coats at 200 sq. ft. per gallon becuase the existing surface is not smooth but aggregated and at an estimated 4,000 sq. ft. of track the bill would be $ 2,000.00 give or take $ 500.00. Second is acrylics do not do well with solvents such as tire sauce, VHT, and other chemicals or long exposure to certain types of sugar products i.e. Coke syrup, Panckace Syrup so you can rule out Tennis court resurfacing materials. Also epoxy based prodects will not bond to a petroleum based product i.e. Asphalt. I will get a price on how much sand and slurry is needed for the track all i need is the dimensions. Hopefully Fred would turn a blind eye on a Sat & Sun if someone "Max" accidentally left the gate unlocked.

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SirSwiftAlot, as much as it pains me to say this, thank you for the clairfication... you are the man, nice work!

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Originally Posted by Herc Driver
Question about the formula 1 class...

Are we truing these tires or are they run out of the package?

With the tires out there and rims what are the all around good ones to stock up on?

In other words for outdoor parking lot racing what front/rear combos should I start with?

Another does anyone have a dummy guide for the differences in the allowed chassis? If one is hands down the one to start with...I'd rather know than get the wrong one/nice change from TC's.

Thanks

Paul

You can tru or run out of the package, your choice. Tamiya is not banning tire truing so if you have a machine, you can use it. You have to run Tamiya tires and rims for TCS so tire choice is pretty much the stock kit tires (basiclly soft compound) or the hop-up "HBR" tires that come in soft or medium compoound. What works best depends or your driving style / set-up / traction condition. Your choice of rims is black mesh, gold mesh or black spoke. Which do you think will look best on your car usually determnes what you buy.

Class is for F103's only (no F103GT's or F103-LM's, the old LeMans style Porsche 911 GT-1, Toyota TS-020 or the Audi R8). The F1 bodies will not fit on the LM chassis (the chassis is wider where the steering servo is mounted as you could mount flat like a touring car). If you get an F103GT kit, you can convert to an F103 but it takes a lot of parts to convert and probably cheaper overall to get a new F103 kit. I did convert my teammates F103GT to a F103 but then I had a poop load of spare F103 parts laying around. If you get the older Tamiya version F102 or even older / classic F101, you probably would not have a problem racing them as there is no advantage to those chassis vs a F103.
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Old 11-12-2008, 05:29 AM
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...but then I had a poop load of spare F103 parts laying around...
Is that a technical term?
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SirSwiftAlot
..... The cost for that would be under $750 if the labor was donated which I am sure it would be, except I need a few parts but other than that it can be done for near nothing. Next you have an acrylic resurfacer which has the silica sand already included in the material and looks great and performs better than the slurry seal for the exception of two things. First it requires two coats at 200 sq. ft. per gallon becuase the existing surface is not smooth but aggregated and at an estimated 4,000 sq. ft. of track the bill would be $ 2,000.00 give or take $ 500.00. Second is acrylics do not do well with solvents such as tire sauce, VHT, and other chemicals or long exposure to certain types of sugar products i.e. Coke syrup, Panckace Syrup so you can rule out Tennis court resurfacing materials. Also epoxy based prodects will not bond to a petroleum based product i.e. Asphalt. I will get a price on how much sand and slurry is needed for the track all i need is the dimensions. Hopefully Fred would turn a blind eye on a Sat & Sun if someone "Max" accidentally left the gate unlocked.

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hey swifty---

I'm havin a hard time decipherin' what yer saying there. Sounds like its better to use the slurry w/ silica added cause its 1) cheaper and 2)it holds up better to traction compounds.

If that IS what yer sayin then what are we waiting for!!!! Lets start a collection.

I'm in for $200.


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Old 11-12-2008, 12:58 PM
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Fred/Andrew/Tamiya

Perhaps you know something we donít, but due to the economy it looks like the AV track will stay a track for at least the 2009 season. You have a passionate group of drivers that want to run on a quality surface for this season (and beyond) and would be willing to pay some $ to make it happen. If Tamiya wants to pay for it we would all be happy to let it be so, but as you can see from this thread $ is NOT a reason for not moving forward. So what do you say? Can a task committee be formed to research surface options and get materials estimates?

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I vote for an iron based slurry to go with the special magnetic inserts that I am developing! ;^)
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Old 11-12-2008, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 240Z
Fred/Andrew/Tamiya

Perhaps you know something we donít, but due to the economy it looks like the AV track will stay a track for at least the 2009 season. You have a passionate group of drivers that want to run on a quality surface for this season (and beyond) and would be willing to pay some $ to make it happen. If Tamiya wants to pay for it we would all be happy to let it be so, but as you can see from this thread $ is NOT a reason for not moving forward. So what do you say? Can a task committee be formed to research surface options and get materials estimates?

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I vote for an iron based slurry to go with the special magnetic inserts that I am developing! ;^)
Does Tamiya still own the property, or does the property have a new owner?
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Old 11-12-2008, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CarKing
I cannot tell you guys how much we appreciate the mere thought of the loyal TCS guys getting together and pitching in to help the track. At this point though, the status of the track is up in the air so right now we are going through our options. Just know we are going to do what we can in the best interest of us and our racers. Having the racers pay for repairs is not going to be an option.

Again, thank you for the sentiment as we know you guys would gladly do what you could to help!
Hopefully that answers your question! Again, we do appreciate the loyal Tamiya TCS racers who would genuinely donate to the cause.

As for the future status, owners, projects revolving around the track; as of now all I can say is that it is as it has been for the past few months and that is on a week by week basis.
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Old 11-12-2008, 02:28 PM
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After reading the 2009 TCS rules and browsing the forum I have a couple of questions:

1) What is the mini GT class? Is this a split up of the mini class or something new?

2) In regards to mini tires the way I read the new rule is that the tire diameter cannot exceed 60mm but if you can overstuff it and keep it less than 60mm it's OK. Can anyone confirm?

3) Handout 540-J or just that motor with no handout?

Thanks in advance

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Also what about the Core RC 3250 lipo? Legal or gonna be legal?

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Originally Posted by Kevin CBR
If you get the older Tamiya version F102 or even older / classic F101, you probably would not have a problem racing them as there is no advantage to those chassis vs a F103.
Bad information....

See rule #1, F-1: "F103 Tamiya Formula One chassis only (F103, F103RS, F103RM, and F103RX). "

So to me it looks like the F-102 is not allowed.

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Originally Posted by mkdut
After reading the 2009 TCS rules and browsing the forum I have a couple of questions:

1) What is the mini GT class? Is this a split up of the mini class or something new?

2) In regards to mini tires the way I read the new rule is that the tire diameter cannot exceed 60mm but if you can overstuff it and keep it less than 60mm it's OK. Can anyone confirm?

3) Handout 540-J or just that motor with no handout?

Thanks in advance

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The diameter thing is in response to guys overstuffing their tires to get a taller ratio on rollout. I believe it's still ok to double stuff.
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:37 PM
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I actually prefer the smaller tires as opposed to the big ones. I think that the tt tires should be legal. the rears from the 12 th scale porsche tamtech car.
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mkdut
After reading the 2009 TCS rules and browsing the forum I have a couple of questions:

1) What is the mini GT class? Is this a split up of the mini class or something new?

2) In regards to mini tires the way I read the new rule is that the tire diameter cannot exceed 60mm but if you can overstuff it and keep it less than 60mm it's OK. Can anyone confirm?

3) Handout 540-J or just that motor with no handout?

Thanks in advance

Mike D
1. Mini GT is an idea which may or may not ever happen
2. You can double stuff since we can't check the inserts, but the tire diameter cannot go passed 60mm. If it's 60.25mm you have to go put on new tires.
3. Not a handout motor, but the motor that you must use now. They should be about $10 at a hobby store.

F103 series chassis ONLY. No F101 or F102 chassis.

We are not going to get into a mixing tire sizes type thing. M-chassis will run the 60D/M-Chassis type tires. No smaller tires, no sedan tires.
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