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Old 10-30-2008, 11:55 PM
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Christian... haven't thanked you yet for letting us charge off your dad's car last week. Thanks a bunch!
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DARN RCTECH needs an overhaul, this site is so slow a lot of times.

Anyway. I say 13.5 for GT1 and 17.5 for GT2
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Originally Posted by izzyracer
DARN RCTECH needs an overhaul, this site is so slow a lot of times.

Anyway. I say 13.5 for GT1 and 17.5 for GT2
That would be perfect if you added in silver can GT3
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Originally Posted by westerdude42
That would be perfect if you added in silver can GT3
agree!

Fred, r u reading this? u better get that new COD as soon as it comes out. So we can take our frustrations out at you.
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Originally Posted by 414MPH
Rumor has it....
GT-1: 13.5 Brushless (or 19 turn ?)
GT-2: Silver Can
F-1: Foam Tires, Silver Can
Mini: no details but I would expect same as last year or maybe a brushless addition.......
Spec TT-0? for novice drivers.....
and of course Rally at Trackside...

To convert an F-103GT to F-103, you will need a chassis plate, body kit with wings, front spindles w/ king pins, wheels, tires, rear left and right hub, diff hubs, body posts, removal of some GT spacers, and a few things I may be forgeting.

It really may be cheaper (cost effective) to buy a new kit with a body. I hear you can get them for around $120.

Of course, you will also need the 10 years experience of tuning this chassis that many of the F-1 Die-Hards acuired from 1993 through 2002 to be competitive out of the box, but it really IS a simple car and easy to learn...LOL (just kidding Howard)

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Marty...I heard I can download your F1 1993 through 2002 experience and the secret silver can speed secret file somewhere at the TRACKSIDE website, correct...?

Thanks...yeah, I think it is cheaper to buy another kit for that....
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Originally Posted by izzyracer
DARN RCTECH needs an overhaul, this site is so slow a lot of times.

Anyway. I say 13.5 for GT1 and 17.5 for GT2
+1 on the above. Was very disappointed to see GT2 become the silver can class. Let GT3 still exist for those that want to continue to play with motors and GT2 be for those who want a slower brushless alternative (17.5 or 21.5) to GT1

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I would have to agree
GT3=Silver Can
GT2=17.5
GT1=13.5

But then how many guys would be interested in 17.5
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Old 10-31-2008, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by g12314
+1 on the above. Was very disappointed to see GT2 become the silver can class. Let GT3 still exist for those that want to continue to play with motors and GT2 be for those who want a slower brushless alternative (17.5 or 21.5) to GT1

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Unfortunately the need for GT3 became negligable with the direction that GT1 and GT2 went, there was simply no reason to have both GT2 and GT3, and we are not ready to fully commit the classes to only brushless motors. 17.5 motors are not popular enough to make a full class either. Maybe next year something in brushless will come up and we will bring back GT3 in 2009. Classes come and go, and it's just the nature of the hobby. If you think about it, we got rid of GT1 and now have GT2 and GT3 only.

That is my only comment on the subject.
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Originally Posted by g12314
+1 on the above. Was very disappointed to see GT2 become the silver can class. Let GT3 still exist for those that want to continue to play with motors and GT2 be for those who want a slower brushless alternative (17.5 or 21.5) to GT1

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Uh, why are you being distracted from F1 by this other stuff??
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Originally Posted by robk
Uh, why are you being distracted from F1 by this other stuff??
Dam you Rob K! Ok, I'll make you a deal.... I'll buy the F1 car, you put your "magic" into it, and I'll race F1. I guess if I need to race a silver can, it might as well be in F1 instead of GT2.

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Originally Posted by g12314
Dam you Rob K! Ok, I'll make you a deal.... I'll buy the F1 car, you put your "magic" into it, and I'll race F1. I guess if I need to race a silver can, it might as well be in F1 instead of GT2.

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Thats the spirit Jimmy I think you are better off doing one GT class and F1. Thats what I plan on running this year.

As for 17.5 I think that will gain in popularity after this year once ROAR has a full year with the new classes.
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Originally Posted by CarKing
Unfortunately the need for GT3 became negligable with the direction that GT1 and GT2 went, there was simply no reason to have both GT2 and GT3, and we are not ready to fully commit the classes to only brushless motors. 17.5 motors are not popular enough to make a full class either. Maybe next year something in brushless will come up and we will bring back GT3 in 2009. Classes come and go, and it's just the nature of the hobby. If you think about it, we got rid of GT1 and now have GT2 and GT3 only.

That is my only comment on the subject.
This is all fine, but my main question was why 13.5 and 19 turn. Performance wise the 10.5 is a much closer match. I understand that there are guys who still want to run brushed out there. I just feel that the brushless guys should be able to compete on an equal playing field. A 13.5 simply isn't as fast as a 19 turn. A lot of guys who have gotten rid of their lathes ect... won't re-invest just for this series. They'll know they can't be as competative with brushless and thus will take a pass on running at all. I don't want to see that happen so I feel compelled to push for an answer as to why 13.5 and not the 10.5.
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According to ROAR in 2009: 13.5 = 19T & 17.5 = 27T

2008 ROAR and TCS: 10.5 = 19T & 13.5 = 27T

After myself running a 13.5 most of the year, I did not feel it was on par with a 27t, I applaud the ROAR change. I would assume the 10.5 vs 19T was the same way.

My confusion on the matter is, after going to Trackside, Memphis and Glen Burnie, the GT2 and GT3 classes were very strong with many mains. GT1 seemed to be floundering and did not have the strong numbers, I think 2 of the races only just enough for 1 main. Locally stock always has a following over a 19T class (which is non-exhistant except at big races) and GT3 class but stock is the class that was dropped? ? ?

19T is Superstock, 27t is stock.

After talking to Fred last month I thought like everybody else GT1 = 13.5/19t, GT2 = 17.5/27t, and GT3 = silvercan.

I am surprised like the rest of the elimination of stock, probably next to mini one of the biggest classes. I was fortunate to make the switch to stock BL, I don't see everybody in stock that changed to BL. In my local group, for summer of 22 guys there were about 5 that ran BL in stock, winter only 2 of maybe 10.

Looks like in 2009 those who like running stock sedan can have other class options if they choose to race TCS.
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Old 11-01-2008, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by A-Ko
According to ROAR in 2009: 13.5 = 19T & 17.5 = 27T

2008 ROAR and TCS: 10.5 = 19T & 13.5 = 27T

After myself running a 13.5 most of the year, I did not feel it was on par with a 27t, I applaud the ROAR change. I would assume the 10.5 vs 19T was the same way.

My confusion on the matter is, after going to Trackside, Memphis and Glen Burnie, the GT2 and GT3 classes were very strong with many mains. GT1 seemed to be floundering and did not have the strong numbers, I think 2 of the races only just enough for 1 main. Locally stock always has a following over a 19T class (which is non-exhistant except at big races) and GT3 class but stock is the class that was dropped? ? ?

19T is Superstock, 27t is stock.

After talking to Fred last month I thought like everybody else GT1 = 13.5/19t, GT2 = 17.5/27t, and GT3 = silvercan.

I am surprised like the rest of the elimination of stock, probably next to mini one of the biggest classes. I was fortunate to make the switch to stock BL, I don't see everybody in stock that changed to BL. In my local group, for summer of 22 guys there were about 5 that ran BL in stock, winter only 2 of maybe 10.

Looks like in 2009 those who like running stock sedan can have other class options if they choose to race TCS.
I guess the problem is that there aren't any exact matches for brushed and brushless. After talking to a bunch of guys this was the opinion of most drivers. So I quess if you choose to allow both, one or the other will have an advantage. It's sort of like when they ran turbines at Indy. Indy saw the inherent problems and realized that they couldn't make everybody happy, so they made a choice that was best for the sport. Sooner or later so will RC racing.
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Originally Posted by A-Ko
According to ROAR in 2009: 13.5 = 19T & 17.5 = 27T

2008 ROAR and TCS: 10.5 = 19T & 13.5 = 27T

After myself running a 13.5 most of the year, I did not feel it was on par with a 27t, I applaud the ROAR change. I would assume the 10.5 vs 19T was the same way.

My confusion on the matter is, after going to Trackside, Memphis and Glen Burnie, the GT2 and GT3 classes were very strong with many mains. GT1 seemed to be floundering and did not have the strong numbers, I think 2 of the races only just enough for 1 main. Locally stock always has a following over a 19T class (which is non-exhistant except at big races) and GT3 class but stock is the class that was dropped? ? ?

19T is Superstock, 27t is stock.

After talking to Fred last month I thought like everybody else GT1 = 13.5/19t, GT2 = 17.5/27t, and GT3 = silvercan.

I am surprised like the rest of the elimination of stock, probably next to mini one of the biggest classes. I was fortunate to make the switch to stock BL, I don't see everybody in stock that changed to BL. In my local group, for summer of 22 guys there were about 5 that ran BL in stock, winter only 2 of maybe 10.

Looks like in 2009 those who like running stock sedan can have other class options if they choose to race TCS.
Jeff,
I think the rational for GT2 to go to 540J Silver Can was to keep in line with the Japan TCS World Champs? the last few years it;s been 540 Black Can Tuned Motors at the Nationals and this has been in line with the Japan Series.
I personally would rather run the entire 2009 season with something that is close to the Nationals and Japan Series? But it looks like Tamiya now has there own BL Motors so you will probably see a shift to BL Motors by Tamiya USA? Be careful what we ask for we might all be running there 3.5 BL in GT2 soon??
If you think about it, now we all can argue over $15.00 Silver Cans like in the past? the new Motor Cooling Rules are very interesting?
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