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Old 09-03-2008, 08:29 PM
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I believe you still need a low budget class for sportsman drivers that are not rookies, but don't want to invest in a brushless system.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin CBR
Oh yeah, there will be a new event added for the Tamiya Aliso track only. Longest distance launched from the kink. Height and style bonus points will be awarded.
Whadda ya mean "a new event added" ?
What have I been doing for years, practicing?
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Originally Posted by MD
I believe you still need a low budget class for sportsman drivers that are not rookies, but don't want to invest in a brushless system.
4WD Budget class would be GT3 with an option for BL 17.5 or silver can (see Post #9049).

The true budget class is F103. And it works just fine with a silver can. Leave it as it is thank you very much.
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Here would be my suggestion for this next year I guess.

GT1: 10.5 Motor
GT2: 13.5 Motor
GT3: 21.5 Motor Or Silver Can With Limit.
F1: 21.5 Motors, Kit Tires.
Mini: 17.5 motors,
Spec: Stock Silver Can, 12K limit, Spec Orion 2400 Lipo.

Only thing I would like to see is allowing spec to run a spec lipo. My fiance runs this class and we have went all lipo now. I think the orion 2400 lipo would be the perfect fit as well. Cheap with still plenty of power and run time. I really can't think of anything else I would change. Brushless and Lipo are here to stay and will keep things even. No matter how much power someone has the better driver will always win.

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Originally Posted by Wicked-Wayz
Here would be my suggestion for this next year I guess.

GT3: 21.5 Motor Or Silver Can With Limit.
F1: 21.5 Motors, Kit Tires.
Mini: 17.5 motors,
Spec: Stock Silver Can, 12K limit, Spec Orion 2400 Lipo.

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Not speaking from personal experience, but everything I have read says that 17.5 = 27T silver can.

I don't want to see F1 any slower and If you want to limit the speed in GT3, just set a gearing limit.
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Congrats to the winners this year and the folks that continue to chase that 'big ticket'.

Good luck to the guys going to Japan.

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Originally Posted by 240Z
Not speaking from personal experience, but everything I have read says that 17.5 = 27T silver can.

I don't want to see F1 any slower and If you want to limit the speed in GT3, just set a gearing limit.
Yes you are correct, I agree as well. Sorry my mind is a little slow tonight.

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Old 09-04-2008, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Wicked-Wayz
Here would be my suggestion for this next year I guess.

GT1: 10.5 Motor
GT2: 13.5 Motor
GT3: 21.5 Motor Or Silver Can With Limit.
F1: 21.5 Motors, Kit Tires.
Mini: 17.5 motors,
Spec: Stock Silver Can, 12K limit, Spec Orion 2400 Lipo.

Only thing I would like to see is allowing spec to run a spec lipo. My fiance runs this class and we have went all lipo now. I think the orion 2400 lipo would be the perfect fit as well. Cheap with still plenty of power and run time. I really can't think of anything else I would change. Brushless and Lipo are here to stay and will keep things even. No matter how much power someone has the better driver will always win.

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As long as 10.5 is going away in roar why make people go out and have to buy a 10.5 when they won't need it to race regularly.

I would like to see the classes as follows

GT1 - 13.5
GT2 - 17.5
GT3 - Silver Can (keep GT3 this way as long as Tamiya still sells kits with silver cans-tech them for a max rpm limit)
Mini - 17.5 (with the Gear limitation this would make Mini a true drivers class)
Spec - silver can (again as long as Tamiya still sells kits with the silver can motor-tech them for a max rpm limit)

GT3 still needs to be in the TCS as this should be the next step for the spec driver.

Allow lipo's in all the classes with with maybe a spec lipo for mini and spec.

Just my thoughts
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Old 09-04-2008, 05:47 AM
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All we care about is GT1. It is also great to run GT2 as a second class in the regional races assuming it remains the same 13.5. Or slowed to 17.5 to please racers who want to go faster than GT3 (silver can), but say 13.5 is too fast.

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GT1 - 10.5/19T

The TRF 415/416 is a chassis designed for MOD racing. Having a motor slower than a 10.5 is a complete waste. GT1 should showcase the expert drivers. Therefore MOD speeds should be the goal. You cannot develop a Tamiya Factory driver via a 13.5 motor class.

I talked to Steven Bortolotti (winner of TCS Nats GT1). In Canada, he practices and races MOD. Racing a 10.5 at the TCS Nats was a walk in the park. ... and it showed extremely well. I can see from the videos that once he established a comfortable lead, he was only driving 8/10th.

Take a look at the top class in HPI Racing Challege series:
Electric Expert
-HPI Sport/Pro 2/3/4, E10, Sprint, Sprint 2; HB Cyclone chassis.
-No motor limit (brushless allowed).
-Spec tire: #61147 HB Gumballs Worlds Spec Racing Slick Tire/Wheelset.
-Chassis option parts allowed.


Does TCS want to be viewed as the wimpy race series?

Also, at the Nats, the GT1 racers were the only ones that never complained about the other guys motor. Everyone in GT1 had enough power to get the job done. Consistency, skill and setup were the only factor. ... except for choice of racing bodies.

In racing, especially RC racing, the slower the class, the wider the variable in speeds within the same class.
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:07 AM
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GT1 open mod, no limit on batteries except keeping them 2c.

GT2 13.5, same battery rules as GT1

GT3 Silver can (why mess with tradition), 3600 2c lipo and say a 5.4 gear limit

Mini 17.5 and pick a battery that fits the chassis

F1's are real fast with the silver cans but they could go to a 17.5 as well

Keep the same classes and rules for both the regionals and the nationals.
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:25 AM
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Mini is the most popular class, why change it?
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Originally Posted by MD
Mini is the most popular class, why change it?
Because mini drivers are the root cause of all things evil in the sport. All possible efforts should be made to cause them grief, confusion and chaos.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MD
Mini is the most popular class, why change it?
very true

first of all, those esc's are really expensive. That's why i don't own any of them. I always ran mini because it was somewhat low budget.

secondly, try fitting a GTB or a sphere into the mini cooper chassis. and if you put the ESC on top of the chassis the car's going to handle really bad.

the 17.5 brushless motors produce so much torque that we will be blowing through tires and gearboxes left and right. and with the very limited lifetime of these new tires, mini is going to get really expensive to race. and do i really have to mention the never-ending "tranny blowing" jokes that would come from this.

also don't think you cant cheat with brushless motors. Trust me there are many many ways to do it. and people in the mini class will definatly do it. If every regional race is run in the same format as the nationals with motor impound, cheating will become impossible.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:30 AM
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I agree that GT1 should showcase the best cars at high speeds...but I think the GT2 should be opened up to those cars at a slower speed for those of us WITH the cars who race at "Stock" speeds.

GT3 should be the bathtub class.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by crazy5
GT1 open mod, no limit on batteries except keeping them 2c.

GT2 13.5, same battery rules as GT1

GT3 Silver can (why mess with tradition), 3600 2c lipo and say a 5.4 gear limit

Mini 17.5 and pick a battery that fits the chassis

F1's are real fast with the silver cans but they could go to a 17.5 as well

Keep the same classes and rules for both the regionals and the nationals.
My $.02
I don't think i've seen a 2c battery in years. it would probably swell up under to much load especialy if you want to run open mod.
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