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Old 06-03-2008, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CarKing
Yes to confirm, the RPM rule is something to the discretion of the race director at each event. At Aliso, we chose to institute a RPM limit...........

Are you the race director at Aliso?
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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
Everyone keeps talking about how expensive brushless is, I just looked on Towers website, and a sport system can be had for $175 and thats for a 10.5 motor. If you add up the cost of a brushed speedo and all the crap that you need to maintain brushed motors and the fact that 1 brushless motor should last at least 2-3 race seasons, I am failing to understand where all the expense is coming from. Yes there is an initial investment, but in the long run it is very cost effective. And lets face it, do you really need a pro level speedo to run a mini? especially if you are running a 17.5 or 21.5

Although some guys I know buy used escs off ebay. They buy a new motor, have a friend cut the com, replace the brushes ever now and then, unless they smoke them, even then they still run. Used escs deals can go around $25-$50 & new motors for under $40.

Some peoples budgets, like kids do not go very far. You can tell them get a job but... if they are 12 it is not as easy as it sounds. Some adults/parents I know are limited resources, limited budgets. $175 may not sound like much, although if oil hits that price a barrel, then I will probably drive my rc car to work.

I am not anti-BL, just looking out for the little guy. . .
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Old 06-03-2008, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc
Are you the race director at Aliso?
Lucky for me I am not Just consider me Larry's helper of sorts
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Old 06-03-2008, 05:05 PM
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Wow, toss out a few silver can motor rules and this thread really comes to life! Racers (like me) come out of the woodwork to voice their opinions. But I am going to refrain this time (I know, shocker! ).

Sure miss racing with you guys, albeit silver can, BL, brushed, etc..... No matter what is running, it's the friendships that endure. Hopefully I'll be able to jump back on the TCS bus soon. Maybe Glen Burnie.........who knows???
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Old 06-03-2008, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CarKing
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Kevin, your analogy did nothing more than make me hungry and confused....so I guess really nothing different than the normal for me.
To avoid hunger and confusion, go to your nearest In-N-Out, order a #3 combo with your burger and fries animal style. The only confusion left is soft drink or shake ?
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:06 AM
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There's a TCS race this weekend ?

Whats RPM limit mean ?

How much weight difference is there between a #3 combo with a large root beer at IN-N-OUT and a Mini cooper (MO3 Swift) ?

How does the motor run if it dosen't have brushes ?

Who's Larry ?

Whats Mabuchi ?

Who am I ?
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:05 AM
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While a good choice Kevin, I prefer either 3x3 or 4x4 with fries and a Dr. Pepper. Now it's only 8am and I am craving In & Out. Thanks to you, I will have to stop reading these threads in order to save my stomach!
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Hey Brandon - see below:

There's a TCS race this weekend ? No but there might be strippers at Nor Cal Hobbies in Union City this weekend so just show up anyway.

Whats RPM limit mean ? That point where the hamsters inside the motor give up and stop running on their wheels.

How much weight difference is there between a #3 combo with a large root beer at IN-N-OUT and a Mini cooper (MO3 Swift) ? If animal style, M03 is 52 grams less. If regular style, M03 is 68 grams less.

How does the motor run if it dosen't have brushes ? Same as a brushed, just dirtier. Same problem if you do not floss your motors after every run.

Who's Larry ? A fictious character created by Fred and derived from some obscure Japanese super hero comic book.

Whats Mabuchi ? What you step in if you walk to closely behind an ox in a rice field.

Who am I ? Now that's one question I can not answer.
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Kevin now thats funny right there
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Originally Posted by SirSwiftAlot

Whats RPM limit mean ?
A measurement of the allowable maximum attainable rotational rate the rotating member of a DC electric motor, and something Brandon will exceed through intentionally dubious tampering with the motor installed in his r/c vehicle in an attempt to mask his poor and questionable r/c car control abilities to equal his ablities with those of small school children.

Whats Mabuchi ?
The genaric term for a '540 size DC electric motor, often the subject of abuse, tampering and indecent acts imposed by Brandon.

Who am I ?
The pluckey, often inapropriate and distasteful comic relief present at West Coast TCS events. Also the frequent recipient of boos, jeers and general abuse as well as the butt of many jokes which he is unaware of as he attemps to participate in the above said TCS events and on this chat forum.
(see: screwball)

Nuf said!
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Weather for Union City for the next 5 days is 70 degress with slight breeze.Can the weather get any better for this weekend?

See ya!
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Originally Posted by A-Ko
Although some guys I know buy used escs off ebay. They buy a new motor, have a friend cut the com, replace the brushes ever now and then, unless they smoke them, even then they still run. Used escs deals can go around $25-$50 & new motors for under $40.

Some peoples budgets, like kids do not go very far. You can tell them get a job but... if they are 12 it is not as easy as it sounds. Some adults/parents I know are limited resources, limited budgets. $175 may not sound like much, although if oil hits that price a barrel, then I will probably drive my rc car to work.

I am not anti-BL, just looking out for the little guy. . .
Jeff,
I dont disagree that a brushless system is a steep investment, and no one said you were anti BL. But lets face it, how many newbies are we talking about? A handful? Per season?
Lipos are pricier than NiMh packs, but a $60 charger will get the job done as opposed to the many hundreds of dollars that it takes to buy a good NiMh charger. There is a spec class for the newbies, they may run other classes but lets be realistic, brushless or not, RPM limit be damned, is a newbie really gonna compete for a win at a TCS event?
Where I am coming from is that 99% of the TCS competitors will benefit from going brushless. Are there ways to enhance the performance? Of course, but from what I have seen they are very evenly matched. There is less likelihood that you will get a bad motor. The guys that are burning up speedos to go faster are stupid IMO
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Old 06-05-2008, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CarKing
Unfortunately there is no easy solution to this issue of motors in mini at the moment. If a change like that were to occur, it would be something that wouldn't happen until 2009 anyways since people have already spent the time and money on their current mini cars and only having a handful of races left.
From the horses mouth !

Now lets move on to a new topic like why does'nt Tamiya find a new or better source for tires for the mini? Or should you push or pull when you wipe your ass? Or why does a ducks quack not echo? Just a few things to think about.
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Old 06-05-2008, 05:57 AM
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And now for today's Pharmacology lesson:

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Obviously, we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to the names of "cocktails', "highballs" and just a good old fashioned "stiff drink".

Pepsico hasn't decided on the name of this new concoction but, sources have said it most likely will be labeled as " Mount and Do "



Clearly, these are trying times for TCS afficionados.

Perhaps this temporary departure from the collegial discourse of the preceeding pages will help provide the pause that allows all to remember what "having fun" is all about.


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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
Jeff,
I dont disagree that a brushless system is a steep investment, and no one said you were anti BL. But lets face it, how many newbies are we talking about? A handful? Per season?

There is a spec class for the newbies, they may run other classes but lets be realistic, brushless or not, RPM limit be damned, is a newbie really gonna compete for a win at a TCS event?
Where I am coming from is that 99% of the TCS competitors will benefit from going brushless.
I've raced at the last three TCS regional races at Trackside, so I'm not a newbie, I'd consider myself one step up from that, maybe a "casual racer". I shouldn't and wouldn't want to race in the spec class that is defined as a class for beginners.

I won't get in the middle of the brushless and/or lipo debate. The point of this post is really aimed at Fred and Larry I guess. The question is: how do your set up the rules for TCS to please all or most of the attendees?
The TCS is a GREAT racing series, but it sort of has multiple personalities. For me and my son, it's THE big race of the year: a two day race (at Trackside), with plenty of racers so we'll be racing in mains with people of near equal ability, and a chance to win some raffle prizes. As casual racers, we don't expect to walk away with the A main win.

But, for many/most of the people that post on this thread, the TCS race at Trackside is one of several big races leading up to the Nationals race, with just maybe, a shot at a trip to Japan.

I don't know, but I'd guess at the Trackside race, if there were 100 racers, 5-10 were newbies, 20-60 were "casual racers" who have no plans to go to Seattle or Memphis or California, and 20-40 were you guys that post here that travel the country to TCS events. So, Tamiya's challenge is to figure out which of those three audiences they want to focus on, then figure out how to do it. Maybe have "fun" classes that compete for Tamiya prizes: spec, mini, GT3, and GT2 for the newbs and casual racers. And have "Pro" classes competing for the nationals: Mini, GT3, GT2, F103GT, and GT1 for the 20-40 serious TCS racers.

Sorry for the long post.

The Tamiya Championship Series is great. I consider the regional race at Trackside "Christmas in March (or February)". It is the highlight of my (and my son's) racing season. I also understand that the series also caters to you guys that cross the country to race at multiple events.

So, Fred and Larry,
Keep up the great work, and when you consider rule changes (brushless, lipo, etc.) please keep all of the racers in mind.

Thanks.

PS Fred, Larry, and Tamiya, thanks for the free T shirts too.
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