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#7337

Ahh yes the age old "limit the sets of tires" discussion.
I know that Aliso over the past couple of years has become notorious for shredding tires in a run or 2 , but moshmike is right, if you take care of the tires on carpet, a new set will go the whole weekend. With the triple A format, maybe a set for qualifying and a set for the mains. But this fallacy that a new set is required for every run is insane. I dont know what the answer is, there will always be one or two that have bottomless pockets and exercise them. I think if you limited the number of sets , it would put more strategy into the equation, which could be cool. I have probably seen my last Aliso event anyways, so it makes no difference to me.


I know that Aliso over the past couple of years has become notorious for shredding tires in a run or 2 , but moshmike is right, if you take care of the tires on carpet, a new set will go the whole weekend. With the triple A format, maybe a set for qualifying and a set for the mains. But this fallacy that a new set is required for every run is insane. I dont know what the answer is, there will always be one or two that have bottomless pockets and exercise them. I think if you limited the number of sets , it would put more strategy into the equation, which could be cool. I have probably seen my last Aliso event anyways, so it makes no difference to me.




#7338
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I've been out of racing for a few years now and recently dug up an old TA03F-Pro in my garage. Since I live in Aliso Viejo, I'd like to try and enter the next TCS event at that track. That said, I was reviewing the rules last night and it appears that the GT-3 and GT-2 classes require a "tub chassis". If this is true, is the only class I can participate in the GT-1 ? Thanks !

Just my 2$
#7339

I've always been told that there are no tire set limits for regionals. I've seen people using new tires every heat to end up in the D-main, and the exact opposite also. Driving style, track surface, and tire management play huge roles.
Now if this issue is really that widespread, the easiest thing to do is to make your point known to your local race director and the Tamiya rep at the specific TCS race. We all have to jump through hoops to get things done!
Note: go easy on the Tamiya rep if it happens to be me at your local race.
Now if this issue is really that widespread, the easiest thing to do is to make your point known to your local race director and the Tamiya rep at the specific TCS race. We all have to jump through hoops to get things done!
Note: go easy on the Tamiya rep if it happens to be me at your local race.

#7340

Larrio - On you earlier comment addressing the question of hosting races. I don't pretend to know anything about the international hobby industry. But, there are a lot of very loyal Tamiya fans out there that enjoy the TCS, or wold like to participate. I would assume that one of goals of the TCS is to promote Tamiya products. People travel long distances to participate. At the Memphis race there were people from all points South and as far North as Wisconsin. I don't know how locations are selected, but I think that if you chose a metropolitan area any where in the U.S. you would find Tamiya fans. I race in a parking lot series at the Hobbytown in St. Charles, IL. There are lot of Tamiya drivers from the Chicago area who race there. You have a winter race in Milwaukee, why not a summer race in the Chicago area? Al's Hobby Shop in Elmhurst, IL, is a good Tamiya seller, but doesn't have a racing series. Couldn't one, two or three hobby shops pool their efforts? I'm sure this experience is similar throughout the U.S.
#7341
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i agree ,three sets limit,and if u qlfy for the triple a main u get one more set at the trk..tire wear would be a added strategy just like real gt racing,that would ad fun.
#7342

Here is the hot ticket for tire management for the TCS Regional at Aliso Viejo for any GT class. All you need is 5 sets if the weather is typical.
Set 1-Practice
Set 2-Q1
Set 2-Q2
Set 3-Q3 @ Happy Hour
Set 3-Q4 time to protect your TQ or use your 4th set to make it in to the show
Set 4-A1
Set 5-A2
Set 4/5-A3
All I got to say the insert of choice is "pink"
Set 1-Practice
Set 2-Q1
Set 2-Q2
Set 3-Q3 @ Happy Hour
Set 3-Q4 time to protect your TQ or use your 4th set to make it in to the show
Set 4-A1
Set 5-A2
Set 4/5-A3
All I got to say the insert of choice is "pink"
Last edited by gtypecanare; 01-23-2008 at 09:59 AM.
#7343

Larrio - On you earlier comment addressing the question of hosting races. I don't pretend to know anything about the international hobby industry. But, there are a lot of very loyal Tamiya fans out there that enjoy the TCS, or wold like to participate. I would assume that one of goals of the TCS is to promote Tamiya products. People travel long distances to participate. At the Memphis race there were people from all points South and as far North as Wisconsin. I don't know how locations are selected, but I think that if you chose a metropolitan area any where in the U.S. you would find Tamiya fans. I race in a parking lot series at the Hobbytown in St. Charles, IL. There are lot of Tamiya drivers from the Chicago area who race there. You have a winter race in Milwaukee, why not a summer race in the Chicago area? Al's Hobby Shop in Elmhurst, IL, is a good Tamiya seller, but doesn't have a racing series. Couldn't one, two or three hobby shops pool their efforts? I'm sure this experience is similar throughout the U.S.
A couple of racers have PM'ed me regarding a race in IL next year. I have informed the sales rep handling that shop. A Tamiya supporter with an existing race program and a healthy turnout has a high possibility to become a TCS location. And I'm sure other TCS stores will more than gladly help new ones get started. After all, we are all in this together.
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I would LOVE a TCS race in Illinois! 2 races in a days drive! I don't make it to other regionals anymore now that I have a mortgage!!!
I miss going back to Cali and Memphis!
I miss going back to Cali and Memphis!
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There used to be a TCS race in Detroit, although I am unsure of the details of why it ended (it was before my time). Although one could suspect it was due to racer turnout. We definitely aren't appointing TCS sites with a magic wand, it's not like that. As I said before, there are certain hoops to jump through.
A couple of racers have PM'ed me regarding a race in IL next year. I have informed the sales rep handling that shop. A Tamiya supporter with an existing race program and a healthy turnout has a high possibility to become a TCS location. And I'm sure other TCS stores will more than gladly help new ones get started. After all, we are all in this together.
A couple of racers have PM'ed me regarding a race in IL next year. I have informed the sales rep handling that shop. A Tamiya supporter with an existing race program and a healthy turnout has a high possibility to become a TCS location. And I'm sure other TCS stores will more than gladly help new ones get started. After all, we are all in this together.
So far there have been only 2 TCS races in Illinois, both tracks were one hit wonders.
From what I read earlier it seems like the hoops are too small for tracks to jump through in regards to hosting a TCS race. Example is the Coleseum who took over when Hanover, PA went away at the last minute. Since they could not get a race last year, they hosted their own Tamiya race.
To be honest my disappointment runs in the late scheduling and late rules. The latest rules has been amended many times. Not saying that is bad not to be "perfect" but saying that the rules could have come out in September or better yet just after the Nats along with a schedule. The changes for 2008 were already decided by the 07 Nats, not everybody had the priveledge of knowing them.. Friends that annually plan for TCS Trackside cannot go because they made other plans for something that needs to plan well in advance not less than 2 months. Also with big companies vacation time, is not always available last minute. My friends assumption was on a annual past March date, not a February one.
I noticed your competitor HPI has released their rules/schedule in November and also has a list of tracks that have no dates but will have shortly. Having as much advanced notice as possible only helps people to plan for what they are doing, vacation time, parts buying, testing and loading the hickman hauler. I know if I had gotten the rules earlier, like by Oct, my Christmas list would have been totally different.
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Not to throw stones or pile on, Larry, but A-Ko makes a good point about The Coliseum. Beautiful indoor facility that:
1) hosted a TCS event in 2006 at the last minute when another track went out of business (and did a darn good job of it, too)
2) has lots of Tamiya guys there and a whole wall full of parts and tires
3) put on their OWN TCS-like event, right down to Tamiya rules, free kits to the winners, out of town drivers, the whole thing, in 2007 -without ANY support from Tamiya
4) requested a 2008 event and...never got a call back or response to their e-mail.
Hey, I work at a busy company too, and we're also short of help- and getting smaller every day. But believe me, there are at least a half dozen tracks that support Tamiya products and could have hosted a TCS event in 2008 and done a very competent job at it.
1) hosted a TCS event in 2006 at the last minute when another track went out of business (and did a darn good job of it, too)
2) has lots of Tamiya guys there and a whole wall full of parts and tires
3) put on their OWN TCS-like event, right down to Tamiya rules, free kits to the winners, out of town drivers, the whole thing, in 2007 -without ANY support from Tamiya
4) requested a 2008 event and...never got a call back or response to their e-mail.
Hey, I work at a busy company too, and we're also short of help- and getting smaller every day. But believe me, there are at least a half dozen tracks that support Tamiya products and could have hosted a TCS event in 2008 and done a very competent job at it.
#7349

From what I read earlier it seems like the hoops are too small for tracks to jump through in regards to hosting a TCS race. Example is the Coleseum who took over when Hanover, PA went away at the last minute. Since they could not get a race last year, they hosted their own Tamiya race.
To be honest my disappointment runs in the late scheduling and late rules. The latest rules has been amended many times. Not saying that is bad not to be "perfect" but saying that the rules could have come out in September or better yet just after the Nats along with a schedule. The changes for 2008 were already decided by the 07 Nats, not everybody had the priveledge of knowing them.. Friends that annually plan for TCS Trackside cannot go because they made other plans for something that needs to plan well in advance not less than 2 months. Also with big companies vacation time, is not always available last minute. My friends assumption was on a annual past March date, not a February one.
I noticed your competitor HPI has released their rules/schedule in November and also has a list of tracks that have no dates but will have shortly. Having as much advanced notice as possible only helps people to plan for what they are doing, vacation time, parts buying, testing and loading the hickman hauler. I know if I had gotten the rules earlier, like by Oct, my Christmas list would have been totally different.
Your disappointment and your perspective on the small hoops for TCS sites are duly noted. When it comes down to it, there really is no point for me to explain any further. To tell you everything else that is happening besides TCS seems to be providing excuses. So all I can say is that we'll try harder to meet expectations next year. In my personal opinion, offering next year's schedule right after the TCS nationals seems a rather unreasonable request.