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Old 01-13-2008, 08:59 PM
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Question for the people in charge of the rules:

Regarding GT1, the rules state 19T or 10.5. Will lesser motors be allowed to run in the class (27T or 13.5)? This issue has come up a few times at the races I attended, so I'd like to get a clarification. A 13.5 may just be faster for given track conditions since it is easier to drive.

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Old 01-13-2008, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
Where is there to stay in Memphis thats a "nice" place. I think my family will be tagging along on this one so....
I did the priceline thing. I got $30 a night in 06 and $35 a night in 07. It was around a 1 star in Cordova about 5 min from the track. They had a small outdoor pool, kitchen, real refridge, etc... I and most important my wife was happy about the place both years.
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I know Tamiya is allowing BL 13.5 motors and LiPo this year, but hasn't it been the normal thing to do lately saying that 17.5 BL is closer to 27t stock? I think that 13.5 sometimes has an unfair advantage. I just thought that TCS was all about a level playing field. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't 17.5 becoming the normail BL motor in stock class?
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Old 01-14-2008, 05:46 AM
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It appears that their is a very strong possibility that another event will be scheduled for the east coast. They are trying to finalize a date.

Hint hint the host track has the ability to have event rain or shine and accomodate the offroad classes.

HMMM...what track could it be?

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Old 01-14-2008, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jheimb4897
I know Tamiya is allowing BL 13.5 motors and LiPo this year, but hasn't it been the normal thing to do lately saying that 17.5 BL is closer to 27t stock? I think that 13.5 sometimes has an unfair advantage. I just thought that TCS was all about a level playing field. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't 17.5 becoming the normail BL motor in stock class?
From my testing last year, the 13.5 w/ lipo has the same relative speed as a 27 turn stock motor. (Assuming both cars are the same weight).

Testing was conducted with a 415MSX with 13.5 brushless & Lipo combination (weighted to 1550g). Entered in local Sunday races and normal Saturday Tamiya track sessions. The car required about 1lb of lead weight to pass tech.
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I've also noticed through testing in all but insane traction conditions, that the 17.5 can keep pace and in low traction surpass the 13.5. It would be nice to have the choice in GT2 to run either.
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
I've also noticed through testing in all but insane traction conditions, that the 17.5 can keep pace and in low traction surpass the 13.5. It would be nice to have the choice in GT2 to run either.
I'm not sure on that one. Haven't seen too many people using a 17.5 brushless around here.
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:07 PM
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Larrio........it might be too late to add rules definitation...but you should consdier this when Tamiya is adding brushless motor on the classes...

GT2 classes......any brushless motor that is lower then 13.5 is allow, that means 13.5 and 17.5....and brushed, 27T only...

GT1 classess....any brushless motor that is lower then 10.5 is allow, that means 10.5, 13.5 and 17.5.......and brushed, 19T or 27T only.
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We are using the 13.5 brushless motor because from what all of the manufacturers are saying, that is the 27t limit and that is what we have to go by.

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Originally Posted by larrio
From my testing last year, the 13.5 w/ lipo has the same relative speed as a 27 turn stock motor. (Assuming both cars are the same weight).

Testing was conducted with a 415MSX with 13.5 brushless & Lipo combination (weighted to 1550g). Entered in local Sunday races and normal Saturday Tamiya track sessions. The car required about 1lb of lead weight to pass tech.

Larry,

During that test you were either not geared right or were not using the sintered rotor in the 13.5. Around here the 13.5 motor with a sintered rotor is considerably faster than a 27t stock motor. It is definetely a big advantage to run a 13.5 over a 27t for both torque and top speed.

For the motor rules in the classes, the motor that is in the rules should be the only motors aloud for those classes. part of running each class is the ability to be able to handle the motor. Even thogh someone might use a slower motor than the one called for they can still have the advantage over others because the car will be easier to handle. And on certain tracks it can be a big advantage. I just feel that the motor called for should be the only one allowed. I know that last year some people ran a 27t in the 19t class. I don't think that is fair. Why put a motor type in the rules if you can use other motors.
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The other option is using something other than a 13.5 from Novak. I've personally witness how much slower an Orion is...so that's an option.

I do think we will see more breakage and traction issues as the 13.5 is MUCH faster than a 27t brushed and the 10.5 has a ton more torque than a 19t. Having a car setup good and setup awesome will be the deciding factors in GT1-2.
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Originally Posted by f1larry
I just feel that the motor called for should be the only one allowed. I know that last year some people ran a 27t in the 19t class. I don't think that is fair. Why put a motor type in the rules if you can use other motors.
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Originally Posted by Solara
Larrio........it might be too late to add rules definitation...but you should consdier this when Tamiya is adding brushless motor on the classes...

GT2 classes......any brushless motor that is lower then 13.5 is allow, that means 13.5 and 17.5....and brushed, 27T only...

GT1 classess....any brushless motor that is lower then 10.5 is allow, that means 10.5, 13.5 and 17.5.......and brushed, 19T or 27T only.
It's never too late to add to rules clarification/definitions.

However we've had this problem before with 19-turn class guys wanting to use 24-degree stock motors. Apparently we allowed it once as a test and it didn't work out as planned (this is what I'm told since it was before my time).

So unfortunately the rule stands that you have to run the motor specification for your class, no more and no less. This will be the first year brushless and lipo will be allowed in TCS due to popular demand. We'll be noting any discrepancies and unfair advantages throughout the season.
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Originally Posted by f1larry
I just feel that the motor called for should be the only one allowed. I know that last year some people ran a 27t in the 19t class. I don't think that is fair. Why put a motor type in the rules if you can use other motors.
I understand that the class has it's spec, run the motor defined in the class.

In the Mini races with a Black Can the 20T is too much for me to handle, an 18T calms it down just right for me. I turned much better lap times with the 18T than the 20T. The 18T really does have an advantage in the infield, it's a tuning option, but I don't know any stat where an 27T has an advantage over a 19T. So I'm not seeing how it isn't fair, more likely dangerous to the other drivers having to manuver around a slower car.

The guy that wanted to run 27T in GT-1 said it's easier for him to drive; might mean that he belongs in GT-2, maybe he should change his gearing, but maybe he only has a carbon fiber car.
GT-1/2/3 should probably be defined by the motor required rather than the tub/carbon chassis distinction.
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Originally Posted by RaceBucks
GT-1/2/3 should probably be defined by the motor required rather than the tub/carbon chassis distinction.
it is partially designed this way. the rules DONT stop you from using a TA05 in GT1. or a TL-01 in GT2? but its very unfair to give drivers the ability to use a 416 in GT3, etc etc..... TCS is successful because of its different classes, cars and driving levels.
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