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Old 09-20-2007, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MD
There are many people who would like to race, enjoy racing and would like to participate in the TCS. They have experience, but don't spend as much time and money on their cars. They are not novices. GT3 should be that class, but it has become highly competitive. There is nothing wrong with that. I've run the TCS and I run GT3. At certain tracks the drivers will put you into the wall or boards when striving for that prestigious "C" Main victory. There are many drivers who would like to participate. They enjoy racing and they are Tamiya fans. They don't want to hinder the more competitive drivers. In the TCS there should be a place for them. It will increase the participation and eventaully many of those drivers would move up. This is one of the groups the TCS was set up for.
I don't think you get the point others including myself have made. There is a place in TCS for "the people" you describe. They have a choce, wheter it be at TCS or their local race. If you want to spend little time and little money on your car, expect to be in the lower mains. If you want to win, you have to expect to put the time (also know as practicing, testing set-ups, gearing, etc) and costs (using up tires, trying different inserts, smoking motors, tearing up bodies, entry fees, etc.) I remembering racing Hobby People parking lot races and the "Sportsman" drivers would put you in the boards in a C Main just to win and get the $ 10.00 "Hobby Bucks" store credit. In a ten car race, there will always been one winner and nine losers. As the old racing saying goes, second place is just the first loser. This is not youth soccer where every kid on every team gets a trophy and "everyone's a winner". Like Doc said earlier, racing, TCS or local races, teaches "real life" lessons. We are all created equal. However, some people have better driving skills, better tuning skills, and yes, sometimes bigger budgets than others.

Fred - thanks for the advice. Maybe not a good idea to race against a group of sneaky, diabolical, agressive and poor sighted "masters class" drivers like myself.
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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
This is for anyone and everyone who wants give input or support. While at the nats this year, I asked Fred if he would be willing to look at a return to Larry's in Detroit for next season.
I might be able/interested to go. As long as they do no last minute changes like last time. I was one of the pre-entries on the road to Det. when Larry was calling around. I just wish they put a sign up at the track to let us/me know the changes before my wife split for the day with the car on Sat. Never seemed to have any problems with how they ran or setup the races.

What is looking nice is each TCS race for me there is a person we know or place we can stay. Well except for SoCal, NoCal and Memphis. When dealing with my spouse, having an extra justification in the trip seems to make planning it and the need to go easier...
Looking how the pieces come into play in 08 and hope to try a new track on my TCS schedule . . .
I just hope they can space the races apart more... like 3 weeks or so.
Having some prep time between races makes it easier for crazy guys like Doc and the Hickman Hauler, who have the need for speed and need to travel . . .

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Old 09-20-2007, 03:55 PM
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Ok here is my two cents.

How long does it take to un soilder a motor loosen the two screws and remove the pinion?

Anyone,anyone,anyone buller buller buller buller................................

I say 1 - 2 minutes depending on the car

On big events such a nats, regionals, this mini mayhem and others why dont they just literally handout the motors 1-2 races before your own race. You setup a table with 2 tech guys and 4 irons and you go up to the table you get handed a motor you oil the bushings put on your pinion put it in the car proceed to the drivers stand and the marshall for that last race is assigned a number and he grabs your car you instruct him where the switch is and you race.

After the race your car goes into post tech you grab a car for the race that is getting ready to start. Recieve instruction from the driver of were to locate the switch after turning on his or her car you trurn marshall and after that you come back to post tech were there are 2 irons on the table and you remove your motor and hand it back to the tech guys and your all finished.

The next race you get a completley different motor.
At the end of the event you will receive a motor to take home with you as a part of you entry fee or in the case of tamiya you receive a motor for the money that you paid to purchase it prior to the start of the event.

Now that is as fair as you can get it. No time to dip it in secret sauce or water,oil,toilet bowl cleaner, a milkshake you know what I mean.

As far as the tech guys every race has at least a dozen or more people qualified to tech and are willing to donate 2-3 races of their own time. If not you just delegate someone or hire a few.

Soildering Irons are not that expensive and if you hold enough of these races they will end up paying for themselves.

The driver is responsible for his own oil and tools to properly install his own motor.

What do you think.............................


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Not a bad idea. I could almost see doing that if all the motors were equalized. Although it might mean long lines and waiting for races to happen. It will be interesting to see how the equalizer method works for Tracksides Mini Mahem.

Although at the nats you got the motors on Friday and had to turn in your motors after every day, well except Sunday.
I did not feel that there somebody with an undue advantage over the rest of us. I seemed mostly a setup and driving thing for the winner in my class.

Probably another thing that pops into my mind from the nats is a post race weight in. There were "rumors" of people adding/taking off weight before/after pre race tech. Post tech only Tamiya officials touched your car. Might be yet another duty for tech to preform at the nats . . .
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Originally Posted by SirSwiftAlot
Ok here is my two cents.

On big events such a nats, regionals, this mini mayhem and others why dont they just literally handout the motors 1-2 races before your own race. You setup a table with 2 tech guys and 4 irons and you go up to the table you get handed a motor you oil the bushings put on your pinion put it in the car proceed to the drivers stand and the marshall for that last race is assigned a number and he grabs your car you instruct him where the switch is and you race.

What do you think.............................


Not much.

The same guys will be up front and then the "cheating" accusations will be shifted to some other aspect of the driver or car.
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A grab-bag motor that was over geared or abused for the a-main would bring MAJOR complaints and problems.

I would rather just run my own motor or a hand-out given to me at the beginning of an event. Nightly turn in is no problem if folks are concerned.

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Originally Posted by SirSwiftAlot
Ok here is my two cents.

How long does it take to un soilder a motor loosen the two screws and remove the pinion?

Anyone,anyone,anyone buller buller buller buller................................

I say 1 - 2 minutes depending on the car

On big events such a nats, regionals, this mini mayhem and others why dont they just literally handout the motors 1-2 races before your own race. You setup a table with 2 tech guys and 4 irons and you go up to the table you get handed a motor you oil the bushings put on your pinion put it in the car proceed to the drivers stand and the marshall for that last race is assigned a number and he grabs your car you instruct him where the switch is and you race.

After the race your car goes into post tech you grab a car for the race that is getting ready to start. Recieve instruction from the driver of were to locate the switch after turning on his or her car you trurn marshall and after that you come back to post tech were there are 2 irons on the table and you remove your motor and hand it back to the tech guys and your all finished.

The next race you get a completley different motor.
At the end of the event you will receive a motor to take home with you as a part of you entry fee or in the case of tamiya you receive a motor for the money that you paid to purchase it prior to the start of the event.

Now that is as fair as you can get it. No time to dip it in secret sauce or water,oil,toilet bowl cleaner, a milkshake you know what I mean.

As far as the tech guys every race has at least a dozen or more people qualified to tech and are willing to donate 2-3 races of their own time. If not you just delegate someone or hire a few.

Soildering Irons are not that expensive and if you hold enough of these races they will end up paying for themselves.

The driver is responsible for his own oil and tools to properly install his own motor.

What do you think.............................


Or not worry about direct wiring (soldering), require a connector!
In Japan, they require the use of a tamiya connector in the batteries.
A tamiya connector costs, about $1.50 and it comes with wires so those can be added to motors, and a connector kit costs like $1.50 for a person to add it to the speed control.

I think it would be fun to see a race where they handed out the motor every run. In a class like mini, you can't over gear, in other classes I think a spec gearing would be a great idea (no one can cook a motor then) again another requirement in Japan.

If you go as far as a spec tire / insert, then it really is left to the driver's ability to set-up a fast car, and drive it fast.

And as we all know there are people that have incredible pit men (Juan w/ Ling) and there are others that can wheel the heck out of a car (Juan). I personally think that the field would be much closer if more restrictions were put on people and spec requirements.

If Fred needed volunteers to help tech all these spec requirements I will be the at the front of the line offering my help! seeing as I'm a washed up (two timer) has been! (as another racer called me)
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seeing as I'm a washed up (two timer) has been! (as another racer called me)


Don't you think your being a little light on your self why don't you try
Washed up two timer has been that got really lucky and now he's rehashing the old days. Just kidding Troy

No to be serious I agree with you I never thought about using a tamiya connector its agreat idea and if Fred was serious about it I would help as well.
I dont think its too much to ask of Tamiya but lets try to talk Fred into mandating this. Also the fixed gearing for sedans is perfect now were leaving it up to purely set up and driving ability and we dont have to hear people bitchin about cheating.

P.S. Troy can you get a hold of any TRIBO up there
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Originally Posted by SirSwiftAlot
seeing as I'm a washed up (two timer) has been! (as another racer called me)


Don't you think your being a little light on your self why don't you try
Washed up two timer has been that got really lucky and now he's rehashing the old days. Just kidding Troy

No to be serious I agree with you I never thought about using a tamiya connector its agreat idea and if Fred was serious about it I would help as well.
I dont think its too much to ask of Tamiya but lets try to talk Fred into mandating this. Also the fixed gearing for sedans is perfect now were leaving it up to purely set up and driving ability and we dont have to hear people bitchin about cheating.

P.S. Troy can you get a hold of any TRIBO up there
TRIBO or TRIBO R/C???


P.S. did you see how frightened the look on Elizabeth's face was in your picture with her?
At least in the picture with me she looks like she is having a great time.!
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Originally Posted by tamiyarcracer
TRIBO or TRIBO R/C???


P.S. did you see how frightened the look on Elizabeth's face was in your picture with her?
At least in the picture with me she looks like she is having a great time.!

I am not educated on the difference between the two can you give some info or your recomendation.

She was frightened of the size of my packcage that I stratigically taped to my back so that she coould feel it without anyone seeing. Its like 14 inches long.
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Originally Posted by SirSwiftAlot
I am not educated on the difference between the two can you give some info or your recomendation.

She was frightened of the size of my packcage that I stratigically taped to my back so that she coould feel it without anyone seeing. Its like 14 inches long.
Hey swiftalot,
I applaud your brand of humor. The interruption during the drivers meeting was classic. and raffling off your chair, that was a good one too. Although I have to say, I doubt she was intimidated, have you looked on her Myspace page and seen who she hangs with? I think she gets more hoagie than a sub shop. Still a nice girl though.
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Originally Posted by SirSwiftAlot
I am not educated on the difference between the two can you give some info or your recomendation.

She was frightened of the size of my packcage that I stratigically taped to my back so that she coould feel it without anyone seeing. Its like 14 inches long.
Tribo was an engine oil addative, we used it for years as a bushing oil.

Tribo R/C was developed for the R/C industry, it is a lighter oil still used in bushings and also used as a comm drop.

Oh and well I have some!
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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
Hey swiftalot,
I think she gets more hoagie than a sub shop. Still a nice girl though.
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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
Hey swiftalot,
I applaud your brand of humor. The interruption during the drivers meeting was classic. and raffling off your chair, that was a good one too. Although I have to say, I doubt she was intimidated, have you looked on her Myspace page and seen who she hangs with? I think she gets more hoagie than a sub shop. Still a nice girl though.
wow.

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Is it time to play "Guess where the TCS races will be"? I'm assuming the usual suspects will be around (aka SIR and Trackside), but what about the others.......

Any word on Memphis? Will Memphis be replaced by North GA?

Will the "C" get an "official" TCS race next year?

Will Laurel get their equipment back?

Will the midwest be represented? KC?

Where in the world in FLA would they hold a TCS event? Orlando?

Will Brad get his wish and bring the TCS back to his backyard in Motown?

Will TA be around next season for the regionals, or will the Irvine Spectrum see some parking lot bashing?

2008 looks to be the year of the shake-up! Can't wait!!!
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1) Would hate to see that happen, since they have put on five very good events. MSRA has had their share of problems but they get a pretty fair sized crowd of really nice people.
2) Geez, I hope so. Seems to me they could easily put on a 'Winter' race at the C without negatively impacting the 'summer' race at Laurel.
3) Mike Brey has assured me that they will have all new track equipment in place for the 2008 season.
4) Word is that there will be another Midwest race, possibly KC. My guess is late spring.
5) Maybe. Or Miami.
6) Another 'Geez, I hope so". But I have doubts.
7) Unlikely. Even at an asking price of $22.8 million, that land will eventually sell. And word is that the Spectrum isn't too thrilled about a parking lot event. Just imagine the staff and equipment necessary to put on a two day Nats event -plus practice- in a public parking lot. My guess is either the old Ultimate track in Anaheim or...another venue entirely. Which might not be so bad for the series as a whole.

My guess: eight regionals, three of which will be indoor events. Nats outside of Southern California and indoors. We shall see....
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