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Old 01-17-2017, 12:06 PM
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No. Not really. As long as we can tell it's a Tamiya genuine part. Keep in mind we strictly enforce the "no painting" you springs rule. People were doing this some years ago to "hide" their set up from other racers. This made it very difficult for TECH officials to confirm genuine Tamiya springs. In the case of parts, it's not really hard to tell if it's one of ours. Just be prepared for scrutiny in tech when you do so.
LOL! Fair enough Fred..

I blame Tamiya Japan for my OCD lol

The front and rear uprights aren't available in black for my M05 V2 R. So I need to take matters into my own hand
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Originally Posted by FMW
No. Not really. As long as we can tell it's a Tamiya genuine part. Keep in mind we strictly enforce the "no painting" your springs rule. People were doing this some years ago to "hide" their set up from other racers. This made it very difficult for TECH officials to confirm genuine Tamiya springs. In the case of parts, it's not really hard to tell if it's one of ours. Just be prepared for scrutiny in tech when you do so.
Just for the record, we were not painting them. We used paint stripper to remove the paint.

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WTT TRF101 w Reedy spec 25.5 for GT spec (TT02R) with 21.5 Reedy
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:35 AM
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Just a couple quick questions:

1. Can you use any bearing kits in the Euro truck class, or only the Tamiya bearings?
2. Would a 21.5 equipped GT2 legal car be allowed to race in GT1 class without a motor swap, or does it HAVE to run a 17.5 for GT1? I see the GT1 rules say "MAY" run a 17.5.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 01-23-2017, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by djensen623
Just a couple quick questions:

1. Can you use any bearing kits in the Euro truck class, or only the Tamiya bearings?
2. Would a 21.5 equipped GT2 legal car be allowed to race in GT1 class without a motor swap, or does it HAVE to run a 17.5 for GT1? I see the GT1 rules say "MAY" run a 17.5.

Thanks in advance.
Not sure where you saw "may run" a 17.5 for GT-1 rules. Tamiya website lists 13.5 for GT-1. Fred has allowed some tracks at their choosing to drop down on motor size to 17.5 for GT-1 as noted on the pdf file on the previous page. TCS has always been you must run the specified size motor as listed for the class. I race at TQ Raceway where the track owner has chosen to use the 17.5 motor rule for GT-1. I would not want a 21.5 car on the track in my qualifier. The difference in speed would be a recipe for disaster. I went 10.3 in my 17.5 GT Sedan this last Sunday. In the FWD class that runs 21.5 motors, the fast lap was 11.6 and that was buy a fast guy who also runs Open Mod and qualified TQ in our GT Sedan class that day right in front of me. Yeah, a 4wd 21.5 would be a little faster but still about a second slower or more per lap.

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Old 01-24-2017, 08:00 AM
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The track I'll be racing at runs 17.5 for gt1 and 21.5 for gt2. We also run 17.5 TC and 21.5 USGT on the same track for club races and the times are not much different at all. less than a 1/2 second usually, and we attributed this to tires and body. You can gear accordingly to make the 21.5 almost identical to the 17.5, and still be very competitive, IF IT IS LEGAL. That is the source of the question.
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This race will be on a low-medium grip asphalt track, indoors, so a more flexible tub chassis should be just as competitive as a stiffer carbon double deck chassis, as far as grip is concerned, plus the tires and bodies would be the same for GT2 and GT1, so no discernible advantage, other than potential weight savings.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:25 AM
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[QUOTE=Kevin CBR;14812805]Not sure where you saw "may run" a 17.5 for GT-1 rules. Tamiya website lists 13.5 for GT-1. Fred has allowed some tracks at their choosing to drop down on motor size to 17.5 for GT-1 as noted on the pdf file on the previous page. TCS has always been you must run the specified size motor as listed for the class. I race at TQ Raceway where the track owner has chosen to use the 17.5 motor rule for GT-1. I would not want a 21.5 car on the track in my qualifier. The difference in speed would be a recipe for disaster. I went 10.3 in my 17.5 GT Sedan this last Sunday. In the FWD class that runs 21.5 motors, the fast lap was 11.6 and that was buy a fast guy who also runs Open Mod and qualified TQ in our GT Sedan class that day right in front of me. Yeah, a 4wd 21.5 would be a little faster but still about a second slower or more per lap.

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I believe some of the carpet tracks are running 17.5 instead of 13.5 I think.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:40 AM
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The question isn't about GT1 being 13.5 or 17.5. I know that its going to be 17.5 at my particular track this year. It was a 13.5 class last year.

My question is, CAN I LEGALLY run a legal GT2 (21.5) car, in GT1, or do they HAVE TO HAVE different motor winds?

If I remember correctly, we were short on GT1 entries last year, and had a couple GT2 guys run in GT1, just to fill the class, and they didn't change anything on their cars at all.

Not sure if this was a "legal" move or not. I don't want to plan on one thing, and then have it be not allowed.

Thanks.
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:20 PM
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Last time I did a TCS race was 2003. Looking forward this Sunday's race at Fresno
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Originally Posted by djensen623
The question isn't about GT1 being 13.5 or 17.5. I know that its going to be 17.5 at my particular track this year. It was a 13.5 class last year.

My question is, CAN I LEGALLY run a legal GT2 (21.5) car, in GT1, or do they HAVE TO HAVE different motor winds?

If I remember correctly, we were short on GT1 entries last year, and had a couple GT2 guys run in GT1, just to fill the class, and they didn't change anything on their cars at all.

Not sure if this was a "legal" move or not. I don't want to plan on one thing, and then have it be not allowed.

Thanks.
In all of the TCS races I have participated in since 2004, you had to run the motor as specified by the class rules. Note I have only raced on the West Coast. It is very possible that "local decisions" were made at specific races to increase a class size (to fill a class). Hopefully Sir Fred will comment on as he would have the Official Call on this from Tamiya's perspective.

Apples to apples, same driver with same car on same track just changing from 21.5 to 17.5 motor will be noticeable difference if they have the skill to get the most out of a 17.5 on that track.

Will be interesting to see if the slower motors in GT classes at certain events increases turn out for the classes. In 2015, TQ Raceway was 13.5 for GT-1 but the track owner choose to be one of the 17.5 motor races for that class this year. However, 702 Raceway in Las Vegas, also an indoor carpet track, is running 13.5 for GT-1.

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Old 01-25-2017, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FMW
A TCS type club race is in the works for Windy City. I will have details as to when at a later date. We need to figure out classes, structure, etc...
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Any word on dates yet?

Just like TCS - Only Tamiya chassis are eligible.

Since it would be a club race, how about....

Spec/Novice - TT-0 Chassis
FWD
1/12 - I know of at least half a dozen that could show up.
GT1 & 2 (17.5 & 21.5)
GT1 Open (13.5) for those who want to go fast.
F1
Mini - TCS motor rule
Mini - Open (any 21.5)

Windy City also has an off road track. Possibly bring back RALLY Racing.

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Old 01-25-2017, 01:37 PM
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So would an old Novak NOV1852 "The Club ESC" be legal? It's on the ROAR approval list, but it doesn't blink, at least the one I have doesn't. Don't want to buy a new ESC if I can avoid it.
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Old 01-25-2017, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dougk
So would an old Novak NOV1852 "The Club ESC" be legal? It's on the ROAR approval list, but it doesn't blink, at least the one I have doesn't. Don't want to buy a new ESC if I can avoid it.
That esc does not have the ability to add timing so it does not need the "blinky" mode. Worse case, print a copy of the page from the ROAR rules if anyone questions you or have the page on your smart phone to show just in case.

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Old 01-25-2017, 06:47 PM
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Any recommendations for which body to use for GT1?

GT1 is posted to be 17.5 motor.
I plan on going to the TCS race Next month (Feb26th) at Middle River, Maryland.
Registration apparently isn't up yet....so waiting for that.
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