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Old 12-23-2015, 12:51 PM
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I don't mind if F1 switches to 25.5, I'd just like to know ASAP since we have the first TCS race of the season, in February.
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Originally Posted by kwkride
I don't mind if F1 switches to 25.5, I'd just like to know ASAP since we have the first TCS race of the season, in February.

I agree.
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Experience of Running 25.5 at Tq makes the car very approachable even to sportsmen level racers, although I tried 21.5 first and car wasn't too hard to drive either. But 25.5 certainly makes the car a lot less sensitive on setup. I feel 25.5 should be a good switch in the long run although initial investment is needed.
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Originally Posted by Kevin CBR
The consideration is to change to 25.5 motors for F1 vs. the current 21.5. We have changed to the 25.5 motors in the Tuning Haus Series and also TQ RC Racing series and the class has gone from an average of 5-6 racers to around 15. The cars are more driveable, little to no wheel spin and has closed up the fields. We are seeing a growth in more Sportsman level drivers coming back. A few people have also been testing 25.5 motors at the tamiya track (including a past F1 National Champion) and they were surprised at how much more driveable it made their F1 car and only a few tenth's slower than a 21.5. I believe ROAR is going 25.5 for F1 this year also.

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Here the proposal to switch to 25.5 has the opposite effect. Club races are steady in the 8-10 range indoors and slowly growing with 21.5. Outdoor attendance has been been consistently larger than any other class. Testing with the currently available 25.5 motors has shown over a 2 lap difference between the fastest and slowest 25.5 motor run compared to 1/4 of a lap from the best to worst 21.5 on our carpet track. No one here wants to recreate the battery / motor war that killed WGT.
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If there is benefit in slowing F1 down, then changing the F1 motor rule to "Novak 25.5" -- *not* "ROAR 25.5" -- would make sense. Unlike the other motor makers, Novak is committed to producing a 25.5 motor without making the motor faster every year -- this commitment is the foundation of USVTA racing. I bought my Novak Ballistic 25.5 in 2010 and still race it competitively today.
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Old 12-24-2015, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkBrown
If there is benefit in slowing F1 down, then changing the F1 motor rule to "Novak 25.5" -- *not* "ROAR 25.5" -- would make sense. Unlike the other motor makers, Novak is committed to producing a 25.5 motor without making the motor faster every year -- this commitment is the foundation of USVTA racing. I bought my Novak Ballistic 25.5 in 2010 and still race it competitively today.
Has anybody considered running 2 classes of F1 21.5 & 25.5?
it is done in the Sedan Class?
Tamiya, then can decide which class goes to Japan?

Just my 2cents.

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Old 12-27-2015, 02:23 PM
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Any Tamiya people on here have a rough idea of when the motor rule will be decided on? Would be nice to know asap, so I can get one before they are all sold out. Thanks,
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Old 12-28-2015, 04:30 PM
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Would like if Fred would allow the porsche body that comes on a tt02
Plus the body is easier to find..for pro-spec gt
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Originally Posted by hickmeister
Has anybody considered running 2 classes of F1 21.5 & 25.5?
it is done in the Sedan Class?
Tamiya, then can decide which class goes to Japan?

Just my 2cents.

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Do we really need to segregate F1 like we have with the GT classes? The last 4 times I have raced I have run a 25.5, because most tracks and events are migrating towards it. With some timing and gearing experimentation it is almost as fast as a 21.5 but with a more usable power band. The tendency to overdrive the corners is greatly diminished. The 25.5 allows you to use the tires and chassis more completely instead of always trying to catch the car. The cars are slightly easier to drive, but to go fast you still have to be on your game. Most places where the 25.5 has been adopted are showing growth in the class which was the reason for the change in the first place.
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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
Do we really need to segregate F1 like we have with the GT classes? The last 4 times I have raced I have run a 25.5, because most tracks and events are migrating towards it. With some timing and gearing experimentation it is almost as fast as a 21.5 but with a more usable power band. The tendency to overdrive the corners is greatly diminished. The 25.5 allows you to use the tires and chassis more completely instead of always trying to catch the car. The cars are slightly easier to drive, but to go fast you still have to be on your game. Most places where the 25.5 has been adopted are showing growth in the class which was the reason for the change in the first place.
I'm good either way, just want a definitive answer on what motor will be allowed for F1, and hopefully sooner than later. Would be nice to get some laps under my belt with the motor that I have to run.
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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
Do we really need to segregate F1 like we have with the GT classes? The last 4 times I have raced I have run a 25.5, because most tracks and events are migrating towards it. With some timing and gearing experimentation it is almost as fast as a 21.5 but with a more usable power band. The tendency to overdrive the corners is greatly diminished. The 25.5 allows you to use the tires and chassis more completely instead of always trying to catch the car. The cars are slightly easier to drive, but to go fast you still have to be on your game. Most places where the 25.5 has been adopted are showing growth in the class which was the reason for the change in the first place.
Agree, it is so nice now to be able to race f1 on the club level each week.
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Originally Posted by BP SHADOW
Do we really need to segregate F1 like we have with the GT classes? The last 4 times I have raced I have run a 25.5, because most tracks and events are migrating towards it. With some timing and gearing experimentation it is almost as fast as a 21.5 but with a more usable power band. The tendency to overdrive the corners is greatly diminished. The 25.5 allows you to use the tires and chassis more completely instead of always trying to catch the car. The cars are slightly easier to drive, but to go fast you still have to be on your game. Most places where the 25.5 has been adopted are showing growth in the class which was the reason for the change in the first place.
+1 zillion. The Mile High Indoor Championships in Denver in April also announced they will be using 25.5 power for F1. They are going the full ROAR rule of 12.3 rotor and no short stack stators. We just had 8 F1's show up at TQ on Sunday for a practice day. The sedan guys humored us and let us have our controlled practice session every hour. It was not to long ago that we were lucky to have 8 F1's show up for a race.

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Originally Posted by Kevin CBR
+1 zillion. The Mile High Indoor Championships in Denver in April also announced they will be using 25.5 power for F1. They are going the full ROAR rule of 12.3 rotor and no short stack stators. We just had 8 F1's show up at TQ on Sunday for a practice day. The sedan guys humored us and let us have our controlled practice session every hour. It was not to long ago that we were lucky to have 8 F1's show up for a race.

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I knew I shoulda gone, just feelin too lazy, holiday lag I think.

Woulda, shoulda, 'cuda.

Woulda been 9 practicin.
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Old 12-31-2015, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by kwkride
I don't mind if F1 switches to 25.5, I'd just like to know ASAP since we have the first TCS race of the season, in February.
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Old 12-31-2015, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hickmeister
Has anybody considered running 2 classes of F1 21.5 & 25.5?
it is done in the Sedan Class?
Tamiya, then can decide which class goes to Japan?

Just my 2cents.

Steve.
I agree with Steve. I have an F1 that I'd like to prepare for racing, but these guys like Panda and Cuda are way too fast, I mean, waaaaay toooo fast for me to jump in. I think an F1 expert and an F1 novice would be great. Maybe that means that one of the classes would need to be an alternative chassis such as the F104W.

Add my 2 cents and now we are getting close to a nickel.
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