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Old 12-09-2013, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fx35rc
If this rule change will slow you down and make me catch up to you then I'm all for it. LOL How are you brother

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Man things are great. Are you ready to switch to brushless.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SMcD
Increasing the mechanical timing of the motor increases top speed (RPM) at the expense of torque. You guys get that, right?

Oh, we played this game on the mini thread --> Who here running mini class has less than $300 in their car not including electronics?
That's easy even with some electronics....
Used M03 $50.00
Just stock ESC $50.00 new
Tamiya spec tires $35.00 new
Sonic 21.5 $72.00 new
Savox servo 0252 $40.00 new
Peak lipo $27.00 new
$274.00

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Old 12-09-2013, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Shane Parker
Man things are great. Are you ready to switch to brushless.
I know, I'm looking forward with the change, but not looking forward to spend more money
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Old 12-09-2013, 06:34 PM
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Is the 2005 lightweight NSX a decent version of the NSXs
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Old 12-09-2013, 07:18 PM
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I feel that everybody here has very valid points of view here. But it really boils down to here that Tamiya sets the given rules here and everybody has a choice to participate or not ? F1 is going thru some big changes next year with all the new Engine Rules? every just needs to "deal with it" and let the races begin!
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
Is the 2005 lightweight NSX a decent version of the NSXs
2002-2005 NSX bodies are all good. 2004 & 2005 maybe a little better steering and all are discontinued now from Tamiya. Only NSX on Tamiya USA site is P/N 51195 but that is the "wide" 200mm version for the nitro TG-10.

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Old 12-10-2013, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Giordano
Question: Since the MadRiverHobby race is quickly approaching (January 19th) Does the track have a "final" say if TCS mini rules are going to be closely followed? It would be helpful if someone watching this message board and local to MRH inquiry for out of town travelers. I'd hate to spend money and make changes to a chassis to learn the house is making certain concessions. I remember one year traveling to VA and learning red dot motors were allowed.. at least all i had to purchase was a new motor.

Carl, We're in the same boat as you
If anyone can answer this question it would be greatly appreciated
If you hear anything please let me know!
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by A-Ko
There is no easy answer to rule changes. I don't see mini as a big draw unless you go to Tamiya races. Usually on a club level it gets momentum, then disappears. Then after a hosted Tamiya race it gets some momentum, followed by a disappearing act. Maybe in SoCal it is different.

What if these mini changes effect that, better that?

There will never be a "perfect" motor/esc system that people will be happy with. Racers will always find a way to take said motor/esc/battery and find an advantage.
in the northeast, Mini is usually the 2nd largest class after TC. Why, because there is hardly any maintenance and its an easy class to run and maiximize track time. Almost all run TCS rules however, one local track decided to allow brushless and non-TCS spec tires for its season and the guys who run TCS rules elected not to run, thereby hurting the potential turnout for the class.

Recently, at "fun" race hosted at Horsham in conjunction with John Brown of Brownie's Hobby drew 25 Mini entires against 100+ entires and 13 heats. Although, there was no TCS tech, everyone followed TCS rules and racing was tight. It was nice seeing guys who usually run the higher end classes put down a Mini and join the fun.

You're correct there will never be a perfect speedo/motor combo unless Tamiya enforces a specific brand. For electronics I'm loyal to KO, LRP and Reedy, but if Tamiya established Novak or any other brand as spec, I'd welcome the decision knowing everyone has a level playing field to race. Fred?
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
My opinion is that the current rpm rules has made for the best, closest racing in mini for years. When we ran mini pro a couple years ago there was a larger gap between racers. On carpet the brushless was downright "not fun" to race. In f1 it's pretty different as f1 can adjust gearing as needed. Last year in mini in Omaha I think there was maybe 2 seconds between the top 5 or 6 in mini during qualifying. And anymore most racers are plenty willing to help others get there silver cans up to snuff, which takes vey little to do.

I'm hoping we can figure it out either way. I'd like to think the Tekin Spec could be used as it's super smoothness might help in mini.
I can't say there is going to be a perfect answer for anyone.

17.5 motors in the mini pro were slow out of the box when I 1st compaired them to my mild silver cans back in 2011. However, crank the timing to 11 and they were downright scary to drive, even on carpet. The speeds were 0.6-1.0sec/lap faster than silver can minis on the same track.

The 18500rpm silver can seems about right for speed and fairness. However, I will not miss having to pull the motor, tech and hope you didn't get DQ'd for rpm infraction after each run. BTW - the RPM limit when first introduced as somewhere in the 16000rpms. Out of the box 540J would exceed that after 5-6runs and a cleaning.

As long as the rules stay the same for a year or so, it will work itself out and will at least be fair to all, cost aside of course. The costant changing of rules, spec tires and the lot has more to do with few competitors. Mini was the one class you could run the same car year after year with minimal investment, but that seems to have changed, at least for this year.

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Old 12-10-2013, 11:46 AM
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Anyone wondering about rules for the Middle River Hobbies TCS can rest assured that it will be 100% TCS. Mini will be 21.5 only, no brushed motors at all.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by KHoff7
Anyone wondering about rules for the Middle River Hobbies TCS can rest assured that it will be 100% TCS. Mini will be 21.5 only, no brushed motors at all.
Thanks Karl... motors, speedo, rotors, shims on order.... Christmas is coming early.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:11 PM
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TCS mini racing in the mid Atlantic area is top notch. MRH will undoubtedly put on a great show for all the racers and I'm sure that the new rules in mini will not detract from the overall experience. I look forward to racing with my friends and our guests / neighbors to the North and South. We have a couple weeks left till the first race of the 2014 TCS season, more wrenching / practicing and less worrying about the new rules will get you further ahead IMHO.
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Old 12-10-2013, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Core Creations
Id be ok running 21.5 and rpm limited silver cans together...racers choice.
Thats whats allowed in GT3.

Rollouts between GT3 and mini running 21.5 are worlds apart...GT3 will be in the 50-60+mm and mini is in the 32mm area...thats a LOT!!
Will most tracks be running silver can and 21.5 in the same race?

Looking to try gt3 but can't decide on silver can or brushless?!?
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Old 12-10-2013, 05:32 PM
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In GT3 it's not even close because you can gear the 21.5 to the moon....definitely brushless.

Originally Posted by Rcjunk-yard
Will most tracks be running silver can and 21.5 in the same race?

Looking to try gt3 but can't decide on silver can or brushless?!?
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Old 12-10-2013, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chef88
That's easy even with some electronics....
Used M03 $50.00
Just stock ESC $50.00 new
Tamiya spec tires $35.00 new
Sonic 21.5 $72.00 new
Savox servo 0252 $40.00 new
Peak lipo $27.00 new
$274.00
HA! You win, Matt!!

I'll pick up your race fee the next time I see you at the Coliseum
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