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Old 07-11-2012, 07:27 PM
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We have some guys that were asking if at the TCS race,they can setup a sort of swap meet,to try and sell there old,vintage Tamiya stuff.
We just cant have anybody setup a hobby shop,or try and sell new stuff,that can affect Brownies Hobbies.

If your interested in a vintage swap meet, P.M. me and we can discuss it.

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Default Way too many F1 questions,,,,,,,,,,,,,right????

Here I go again. But if I don't ask,,,,,,,,I won't know. Are the F104W GP and F104V.2 legal to run at the Jackson event? The list only says the F104 and F104W.

I see there is an option rear axle counter weight for the F1 cars. Is it legal to add it to any car even if it did not come with it originally?

Does your paint scheme have to emulate a full size car?

Do you have to use all the lexan pieces in the kit box?

Is using a cooling fan on the motor legal?

Don't worry guys, I'm sure I will have more where these came from
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Originally Posted by spurcheck
OK now I understand the 103/104 issue. Too bad, I actually like the handling of the 103 better. Probably because I don't know how to set up F1's. I am lazy I just want to drive I just might take you up on the tires and maybe the spare 104. I am not sure how legal mine is at this point. I will let you know.
you're not the only one that like the F103 better

personally, I like the F104 more then I liked the F103...I'm trying to find a blurb about the kid that won the 2011 TCS champs - he added weight to his F104 that allowed it to act/feel more like the F103, I'll add the link as soon as i find it
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Originally Posted by spurcheck
Here I go again. But if I don't ask,,,,,,,,I won't know. Are the F104W GP and F104V.2 legal to run at the Jackson event? The list only says the F104 and F104W.

I see there is an option rear axle counter weight for the F1 cars. Is it legal to add it to any car even if it did not come with it originally?

Does your paint scheme have to emulate a full size car?

Do you have to use all the lexan pieces in the kit box?

Is using a cooling fan on the motor legal?

Don't worry guys, I'm sure I will have more where these came from
The wide cars are legal but you must use the tires that come with the Wolf and Lotus kits: Tire bag 9408053, rims 9338096, 9338097 and inserts 53255(2). Also you must use the body and wings that comes with the F104W GP, there is a post from FMW a while back spelling out the whole deal. You don't need the extra body parts and it doesn't have to be painted like a real car. The counterweight is legal for all chassis and I never seen a cooling fan on an F1 at a TCS race and I have been to many. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by spurcheck
Here I go again. But if I don't ask,,,,,,,,I won't know. Are the F104W GP and F104V.2 legal to run at the Jackson event? The list only says the F104 and F104W.

I see there is an option rear axle counter weight for the F1 cars. Is it legal to add it to any car even if it did not come with it originally?

Does your paint scheme have to emulate a full size car?

Do you have to use all the lexan pieces in the kit box?

Is using a cooling fan on the motor legal?

Don't worry guys, I'm sure I will have more where these came from
Originally Posted by GREGK
The wide cars are legal but you must use the tires that come with the Wolf and Lotus kits: Tire bag 9408053, rims 9338096, 9338097 and inserts 53255(2). Also you must use the body and wings that comes with the F104W GP, there is a post from FMW a while back spelling out the whole deal. You don't need the extra body parts and it doesn't have to be painted like a real car. The counterweight is legal for all chassis and I never seen a cooling fan on an F1 at a TCS race and I have been to many. Hope this helps.
The Wolf/Lotus tires are hot garbage. I have tried everything under the sun to make them work. Forget it. Waste of time.

You can make a F104WGP narrow with the regular F104 front end parts and tires.

You can get a cooling fan on the side of the pod using a longer screw. This picture is from the 2010 North American champ's car.

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Old 07-12-2012, 09:04 PM
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Hi FMW

Will there be a spec battery for the gt2 and gt1 class this year?
Or do we follow the rules on just getting a hard case roar approved lipo?
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Thanks GREGK and robK for answering my questions. So I am correct in that the 104W is legal to run as long as you use front suspension and rear axle parts that narrow up the vehicle to be similar width to match the 104?

And, the F104V2 is legal even if it is not in the rules as a legal chassis?
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by KELVIN KHNG
Hi FMW

Will there be a spec battery for the gt2 and gt1 class this year?
Or do we follow the rules on just getting a hard case roar approved lipo?
The TCS rules are maximum 6000mah and on the ROAR approved list. So this does NOT allow the new Trinity batteries even though their on the ROAR list because they are more than 6000mah. Maximum voltage will be 8.44 volts when going through tech!
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Originally Posted by BrowniesHobbies
The TCS rules are maximum 6000mah and on the ROAR approved list. So this does NOT allow the new Trinity batteries even though their on the ROAR list because they are more than 6000mah. Maximum voltage will be 8.44 volts when going through tech!
I'm pretty sure he is asking about the batteries for the Nats. Fred has speced the batteries in the past.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:34 AM
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Oh yes. My appologies. I was asking if there will be spec batteries for the nationals this year.
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Originally Posted by KELVIN KHNG
Oh yes. My appologies. I was asking if there will be spec batteries for the nationals this year.
Directly from Tamiya TCS Battery Rules:
17c. TCS legal LIPO batteries must be 7.4 volts 2S-1P/2P specification. TCS legal LIPO batteries may not exceed 6000 MAh capacity. See class specific rules as MAH and C rating may be limited for a particular class. You may use the ROAR approved LIPO list found here as a guide and reference to the 7.4 Volt 2S-1P batteries that are permitted for TCS: http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/lipobattery.php
The battery doesn't have to be ROAR approved as long as it is hard case and 6000mAh or less.
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Kelvin is asking if there will be a spec battery for the North American Finals in August at the Tamiya USA track. The last 2 years several classes were required to run a Peak or Orion pack Tamiya specified for that race. The regional races did not have that restriction.
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Originally Posted by spurcheck
Thanks GREGK and robK for answering my questions. So I am correct in that the 104W is legal to run as long as you use front suspension and rear axle parts that narrow up the vehicle to be similar width to match the 104?

And, the F104V2 is legal even if it is not in the rules as a legal chassis?
I pretty sure you will be good if you follow that plan.

I'm pretty sure the V2 will be legal. I'm sure several guys will be there with the new cars expecting to run them.
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Originally Posted by robk
I pretty sure you will be good if you follow that plan.

I'm pretty sure the V2 will be legal. I'm sure several guys will be there with the new cars expecting to run them.
OK, so what you are saying is the rules, though written in black and white, are not really that specific. Based on the rules the car I am planning on running is legal Tamiya F104 #58475**1880. My car is a legal chassis. Correct me if I am wrong, as long as it has a "F104" designation, it is legal regardless of the version of the F104 that it is and that the width must conform to a narrow F104 dimension? I am guessing that based on current info as stated both the F104W and F104W-GP cars are allowed to run in the rubber class so long as they are narrowed down. And the F104X1 and F104V2 are too legal to run in rubber though those are not spelled out as legal chassis in the rules package. It seems to me that to take the confusion out of what is or is not legal would be a part number listing of what kit numbers and any amendments (modifications) to the (out of box) assembly would totally solve this problem.

Now that I have totally started crap by trying to get to the bottom of this stuff it is because the model of car I am bringing to my first Tamiya event is not the most current version. I parked the F103 because it is not listed as a legal chassis. I have been monitoring the rules package for some time to see if there were going to be any changes that would negatively impact my performance based on what vehicles would be legal. Wondering how much I will be giving up on the track running with an outdated car. Knowing that other more current versions of the F104 will be allowed will more that likely put me pretty far behind the 8 ball potential wise.I fully understand manufacturers needing to upgrade and move on to sell products, but to have a touring series that has an internationally listed rules package that does not spell out these types of specifics may allow some to question whether or not one may attempt to participate in an event for fear of arriving at an event and what other surprises may they run into. I know the vast majority of you do not know me (and probably after this post don't want to either) but I have been racing since 86',,,,,,,,,,,no, not 1886, 1986 and I have a very broad experience base so I am not talking out of my,,,,,,,,,,well, you know what. So please, please, please, read what I am saying, digest it,think about it and then reply as need be. I am in no way attacking any one person(s), tracks, manufacturers etc. This is just an observation from somebody who has been around the horn for a bit (and still have my faculties about me) It is not lost on me that the TCS series is popular and quite successful. But, much the same as anything else some times some messaging and/or tweaking is needed to iron out any rough spots.

Thanks for taking the time to respond and I am fully committed to enjoying my first TCS event, and now with less surprises than before
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