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Old 12-05-2011, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AWK
Any chance of allowing carbon fiber cars to the GT2 class? I know a lot of people around the country who buy TRF kits, but are not pro drivers. Think about it; used TRF416s and now TRF417s can be had for $150 - $250 which is far less than a TA05 with some nice hopups (figure kit is $200 and TRF dampers are $80 retail and you are already above the TRF used price). I don't think these people should be forced to run GT1 or buy a new car.

Just a thought as I do not think that the chassis you buy determines the skill lever you have. Plenty of guys I see running TRF kits who would not be ready for GT1.


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I cant find them , could you please point me in the right direction
It's item #35 under the general rules. Yeah, it wasn't there when I first looked either.
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Originally Posted by AWK
Any chance of allowing carbon fiber cars to the GT2 class? I know a lot of people around the country who buy TRF kits, but are not pro drivers. Think about it; used TRF416s and now TRF417s can be had for $150 - $250 which is far less than a TA05 with some nice hopups (figure kit is $200 and TRF dampers are $80 retail and you are already above the TRF used price). I don't think these people should be forced to run GT1 or buy a new car.

Just a thought as I do not think that the chassis you buy determines the skill lever you have. Plenty of guys I see running TRF kits who would not be ready for GT1.
Since at least early 2000's, TCS has been carbon fiber chassis cars in GT-1 and tub cars in GT-2. The 416 and 417 is Tamiya's "high end" pro cars and such should run in the "high end" class. If you allow the carbon chassis cars in GT-2, the tub cars will be at a disadvantage. If you know of a 417 for sale for $ 150.00, let me know, I'll take two.
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Cool Chassis vs driving Skill!

Originally Posted by Kevin CBR
Since at least early 2000's, TCS has been carbon fiber chassis cars in GT-1 and tub cars in GT-2. The 416 and 417 is Tamiya's "high end" pro cars and such should run in the "high end" class. If you allow the carbon chassis cars in GT-2, the tub cars will be at a disadvantage. If you know of a 417 for sale for $ 150.00, let me know, I'll take two.
It's not always the car that has the advantage but the persons driving skill that has the advantage. Yes, there might be 417 for sale that are under $200 but I'm sure they are very used! If I drove a 417 and lets say oh Anthony Fung was driving a TA-05R V2, he would probably turn faster laps then me, and I'm a good driver but he is a very good driver. That's a narrow margin of driving skill but still he is a better driver than me. So, given the same scenario an intermediate driver using a 416 and an expert driver using a TA-05 V2 will have a definite advantage over the intermediate driver regarless of him drivng a carbon chassis!
I think you get the point!
Just my 2$
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Originally Posted by Kevin CBR
Since at least early 2000's, TCS has been carbon fiber chassis cars in GT-1 and tub cars in GT-2. The 416 and 417 is Tamiya's "high end" pro cars and such should run in the "high end" class. If you allow the carbon chassis cars in GT-2, the tub cars will be at a disadvantage. If you know of a 417 for sale for $ 150.00, let me know, I'll take two.
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Not fair to the tub car drivers.

Maybe at a low grip track like Tamiya the gap is smaller, but that is just one track.

Also if you can find a 417 on the cheap, then you can find a TA-05 as well.
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FMW,

Noticed the pairings of 17.5 BL between GT2 & 1/12GT. When you get down to Thunderpower the 17.5 Z3R-S is only 1/12GT and NOT GT2, is there a reason or just a typo?

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ARGGHHHHH! Nice, right after having already made non refundable air reservations for two based on the schedule that was published!!!!!
I'm not sure, but I may have sat across from you at the rained out regional. That's a bummer, so I hope that if I don't get a raffle prize that at least you will. EB R
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Originally Posted by maxepower
It's not always the car that has the advantage but the persons driving skill that has the advantage. Yes, there might be 417 for sale that are under $200 but I'm sure they are very used! If I drove a 417 and lets say oh Anthony Fung was driving a TA-05R V2, he would probably turn faster laps then me, and I'm a good driver but he is a very good driver. That's a narrow margin of driving skill but still he is a better driver than me. So, given the same scenario an intermediate driver using a 416 and an expert driver using a TA-05 V2 will have a definite advantage over the intermediate driver regarless of him drivng a carbon chassis!
I think you get the point!
Just my 2$
Max, Anthony actually drives a TA05 v1 :P

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Originally Posted by A-Ko
FMW,

Noticed the pairings of 17.5 BL between GT2 & 1/12GT. When you get down to Thunderpower the 17.5 Z3R-S is only 1/12GT and NOT GT2, is there a reason or just a typo?

According to Fred:
The reason is to keep *some* continuity of the GT2 motor list from last year.


...although this might be changing soon

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Originally Posted by A-Ko
FMW,

Noticed the pairings of 17.5 BL between GT2 & 1/12GT. When you get down to Thunderpower the 17.5 Z3R-S is only 1/12GT and NOT GT2, is there a reason or just a typo?

Fixed. I received some Hobby Shop feedback
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Originally Posted by Kevin CBR
Since at least early 2000's, TCS has been carbon fiber chassis cars in GT-1 and tub cars in GT-2. The 416 and 417 is Tamiya's "high end" pro cars and such should run in the "high end" class. If you allow the carbon chassis cars in GT-2, the tub cars will be at a disadvantage. If you know of a 417 for sale for $ 150.00, let me know, I'll take two.
USED TRF417s are going to be in the $250 range once the 417X comes out, and the different 416 models are already below that, hence why a range was presented.

GT1 used to be open mod, now it isn't. We used to run 24 degree stock motors in GT2 and 19t in GT1, and now GT2 is faster than those 19t GT1 days. You used to be able to pick any insert and now you can't. Heck, in real racing, F1 was for the best drivers in the world, and not merely those with money to buy a ride, but as we have seen in recent years (Vitaly Petrov..cough, cough) things change.

Ask Rheinard and his 416 how it felt to get smoked by a kid in a nearly box stock TA05 a few years ago at the Tamiya worlds and tell me the kid had a disadvantage running the tub car. Put Dave Jun in a TA05 and most TCS racers in a TRF car and I bet he wins easy. Driver counts.

Merely a suggestion to consider as the times change.

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Originally Posted by RedBullFiXX
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Not fair to the tub car drivers.

Maybe at a low grip track like Tamiya the gap is smaller, but that is just one track.

Also if you can find a 417 on the cheap, then you can find a TA-05 as well.
I've got 2 that will be for sale as soon as I can find the time to finish rebuilding them, one is just about stock, and the other is just about fully optioned.
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Originally Posted by Kevin CBR
Since at least early 2000's, TCS has been carbon fiber chassis cars in GT-1 and tub cars in GT-2. The 416 and 417 is Tamiya's "high end" pro cars and such should run in the "high end" class. If you allow the carbon chassis cars in GT-2, the tub cars will be at a disadvantage. If you know of a 417 for sale for $ 150.00, let me know, I'll take two.
It was earlier than that, back in the TA03 and 4 days as well.
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417's in GT2... really?
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Exclamation RE: Chassis vs. Driving skills

Originally Posted by AWK

Ask Rheinard and his 416 how it felt to get smoked by a kid in a nearly box stock TA05 a few years ago at the Tamiya worlds and tell me the kid had a disadvantage running the tub car. Put Dave Jun in a TA05 and most TCS racers in a TRF car and I bet he wins easy. Driver counts.

Merely a suggestion to consider as the times change.
You wouldn't happen to know what motor Rheinard and the kid were running? Inquireing minds want to know!
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